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                    <text>PLYMOUTH
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ANTHONY MAYFIELD, ORGANIST, DIRECTOR CHANCEL, CHILDREN'S CHOIRS
THOMAS I. MOXLEY, DIRECTOR, YOUTH CHOIR

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PRAYER OF I N'VOCA TI C: N .A..I.\ID LORD ' S PRAYER

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Mr. Lyma n T . J ohn son
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PRAYERS FOR THE OCC I\ SI ON

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CHORA L RESPONSE
GREE TINGS FR0M THE KE NTUCKIA NA ASS OCI AT.
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Dr. Howard K. Th urman
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THE ANTHEM

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Dr . Thu rman

P l ymouth Chur ch was cr g a n iz ed in tho f a l l
of 1877 and h o l d tho fir s t wc, r ship on J e ff e rson
n ea r 9th St r oo t .
Du;riIJ_g thi s ea rly sta c;e ,
s u v c ra l me n min i ste r e d t c, this l i tt l e e;r l.up :
Tho Reve r e nd s Smith , Mc Cleo l an , Sn e l l and
J d 1n scn .
In 1 8 9 1 tho Revo r o nd E . G. ~ar r i s wa s se nt
b y the Li'·-:., r · c nn Mis s i on a r y Ass ociaticn t c
t a ke ch a r go a s p c, s t l·, r . Shor t ly a f t e r h i s
arriva l a l c,t wa s pur c ha s d n t the C() rno r
0f 17 th and Che s t n ut St r ee ts en whic h a
fr ame s tructure wa s e r e ct e d . It is upo n t h o
f , unda ti(n l aid by th ose ea rly me mb e r s t hat
t ho prese nt in s tituti t n r es t s .
In 1 9 1 1 t he So tt l c mont H1.us o wa s C&lt; n c ei v o d ,
and b y 1917 it b e c a me a r e a l ity .
The s ma l l frame s tructure p rove d ina d e qua t e
to mee t t h (, n oo ds c f tho g r c wing c,_-n g r egati cn .
Working wi t h g r (up s fr ,m the e nti re L0u i s v illo
c c.,mn. uni t y , Mr . Harri s b egan p l anning f o r a
n e w bui l d i n g .
Tho pr e s e n t e di f ic e wa s e r e ct e d
a nd ded icat e d in 1 9 29 .
P l y mouth h as h a d the su rvic c o f four min i s ters:
Re v . E . G. Ha r ris , Re v . T. s. Le dbe tte r,
Ro v . A. D. Pi n ckney , and t h e pre s e nt mi ni s t 8 r ,
Ro v . B . D. Be rry . Eash h a s , i n h i s 0wn way ,
sc·u ght t c, carry on tho trad it ~L · n b e;gun with
Ro v . Ha r r i s - the traditi , n u f b e in g a churc h
f u r tho c cmmuni t y .
The chur ch h as c r•mEJ far
sinc e it s b cc: inni n e; in 1 8 77. Th e
Se ttle me n t
H, us e i ts e l f i s n ew 50 ye ar s o l d . But t hr o ug h
t he-so y e a rs t ho c c nc ep t t ,f s e rv i c e is eve r b e f o r e tho church . r'1ay Go d g r ant His c c ntin u e d
gu idanc e .

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Plyr:..outh Settleme nt House at 1626 w.
Che stnut Stre e t, Louisville, Ke ntucky
was started in 1917 t,_ s e rve the Negro
populati on of tho r ~ st End of Louisville.
It wa s built and sup p orte ~ orginally by
pri va t o funds, and spc-n s ir e d by Plymouth
Cc,ngrega ti ,. nal Church. A small paid
staff, c onsisting of tho church's pastor
as tho Exe cuti vo Dire ct c:r and many v 0 lunt o o rs l e d an c~tcnsivc r cc r ea t i , n a l geP r a d
program fer adults and y 0 uth.
In 1956 Plymo uth Settle ment Hc u s0
change d fr c m a sr,l o ly church spcns c r c d
Lge ncy t o a city-wide , C •mr.mnity Che st
and Church sp ons ored agency ••• bec oming
inc rp c rated and es tablishing a Be a rd
o f Dircct0rs as its p t licy making body .
Today, 50 years l n t e r, thu Sett l e me nt,
a memb e r of the Unit e d Church o f Chri s t
family, is still a vital f r ~co •• h o lping
th e c ommunity t0 impr ( VO its u lf thr ,ugh
j c,ining f c. rc c s with o the r s in sccioty wh ,
can make the ir actic ,ns e f fectiv e and meanThe s e rvic e s (Famil y c c unsclsin,
ingful.
Child devol 1 pmont, Ne ighb ( rh( o d YLuth
Cc- rps f or High Schc ( 1 Dr c•p- c•ut s , Commun i ty Organi za ti c.,ns, Club Sc r vic c s,
C(•mmi tt e d
Sonic;r Ci tiz cms) arc prt&gt;vidc d.
t o tho Christian pre c e pts c f love and
charity, Plymc,uth is a dminis t e ring a
ministry ge are d t owa rd the goa l of incre asing perc c pti r·n, op p ortunity and desire s r· that each p e rs t n t , uche d knc,w s
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CHl'RC H OF CHRIST

December 1969 - November 30, 1970
December 1969 , the first n.onth of the Plymouth Church year was filled with the
happiness of the Advent Season whic,1 was expressed through a variety of activities.
~n December 14 immediately after Sunday morning worship the congregation came outside of the front door for the dedication of the outdoor bulletin. The service w~s
brief but impressive. Mrs. Mary Alice Dearning of the Bulletin Board Committee
presented the key to Y.iI'. John Babbage of the Trustee Board who in turn passed it to
Rev. Robinson. The latter gave it to Mr. William Hughes, chairman of the Church
Council who accepted it on be half of the church. The pastor made challenging
dedicatory remarks to the congregation. Mr. Lyman T. '-Tohnson, Chairman of the
Deacon Board gave the closing prayer.
On the after noon of the same day from 4 to 6 p.m., Rev. and Jlrrs. Robinson gave
a reception in honor of their first-born Patricia Lei and her husband Mr. Julius
Hobson who had married during their Thanksgiving holiday in Washington where both
a~tend college. The presence of the maternal and paternal grandmothers of the bride
added to the pleasure of the occasion. The women of the church were especially glad
t hat the lower auditorium which they had so recently redecorated was the scene of
t::.e affair.
Mrs. Alferna Bryant wore a broad smile on her face at Sunday morning worship
on December 21. The reason was not hard to guess, her son James Bryant, though not
ye t in Louisville had arrived in this country from Vietnam. On the next afternoo:1&gt;
December 22, the Sunday School Christmas party took place. As usual it was a ge.la
a::fair, reflecting the ingenuity of Mesdames Wise and Griffin and others of the
Su..~day School teachers.
The climax of the Yuletide Season was the Christmas Eve program of Music of tb.e
d..:Chri stmas Season which was culminated with a candlelight service as the hour of ·-m~~
0.·:,~~~ht ushered in Christmas of 1970. Mr. -Mayfield, organist and chorister ,and the
c:.:.o:Lr along with some guests were magnificent, reflecting meticulous training.
There was yet another cause for pride in the Plymouth parish. This was the fact
that in the list of performers in The Nut Cracker presented at the Brown Theater on
;)ecember 29 and 30 was the name of l'liariellen Dreher, young ballet dancer. Of
course her parents were proud of their daughter. Why wouldn 1 t they be?
Missed from the Christmas musicale were Dr. and :M.rs. Lloyd Alexander and
Mrs. Mary Alice Dearing and her daughter Frances. They were joined by David Dea:', t,~•. ·
wit;:1
"l. student at Yale, in Miami and spent their holidays on a Caribbean Cruise.
~be exception of David who returned to New Haven, the party came home refreshed ar.d.
:.:-elaxed.
Present at the service of Sunday morning January 5 was Attorney Starks of
No1'.'folk, Virginia, grandson of .Mrs. J. A. Starks and son of Mr. Gordon Starks alf::i
a Plymouth member befQre he moved to Virginia. Also in the audience were
Mesdames Hackett and Brown o·f North Carolina; mother and sister respectively of
Mrs. Pearl Herring. Rev~ Robinson was in Geneva, Indiana, attending a conference on
January 6 and 7. He later attended a retreat on January 21. On Friday, January 23,
Plymouth's Officer Major William Hughes participated in a panel with other officers
on TV in a discussion on Police Relations. Needless to say he made an excellent
contribution. Rev. Robinson was elected President of the Plymouth Settlement House
Board for 1970. He was also chosen chairman of the Steering Committee of the
Kentuckiana Conference. January brought its measure of sadness. On January 7
Miss Bonnie Anderson lost her ~other. Plymouth Church extended heartfelt symp;thy

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to this beraRved d&lt;&gt;.Fght er- wi1:.; ·. •, +,urrL ,:~ to Louisv::.l .~.e fo :: the fin1l rites. · Then
30, aft.er a ,,:cief i :i..l nH ', ~1rs. liary B.illock, a lo\-f'ly person and a long
January
on
time member of PlJmouth passE)d intc t he b~./ ond. At her funerc.l '1-:hich took place on
February 3 at the churc~1) the pasto.i: spoke of the many manife~tati ons of her deep
faith in God before her death. The entire congregatio n mourned with her entire
family and especially with her beloyed Tanya, now a student in one of the state
universitie s, who had grown up in Plymouth Church.
The first week of February brought joy to the entire parish•when the announcememt was made that the Louisville Jay Cees had named as one of the three men of the
year the Rev. Irvin Moxley of Grace Presbyteria n Center, a brother of Plymouth's
own Mrs. Thomas Moxely. Rev. Moxely often supplied the ., pulpit when Pl.ymouth was
without a pastor. On February 8 at 5 p.m·. Plymouth was host to the city wide NM,:.' :?
meeting which was sponsored by the Louisville Ministerial Coalition.
One of the highlights of the whole year was the uniting with Plymouth on
February 15 of Mr. Benjamin Carter and his wife Mrs. Paula Carter. The former
c1me by letter from Mt. Carmen Methodist Church of Greensboro., North Carolina and
the latter from Bethany Baptist Church of Frankfort, Kentucky.. Mr. Carter is a
member of the chancel choir. The . following Sunday the installatio n of the church
officers for the year took place. The entire list appears in the report of ,the
nr-&gt;mination committee. l'/.II'. L. K. McCullough was later chosen chairman of the Bo:&gt;.rd
of Deacons and Mrs. Sarah Collins of the Board of Deaconesses . At the request of
the pastor, the chairman of the nominating committee., Mrs. Rosa W. Wise, presented
a new official group--the Stewardship Committee. The membership included:
h 2. odames Abbie Fife and Lucy Larke, Miss Virginia Winlock, Messrs Leroy Jones,
Le onard Smith and Thomas Moxely and Dr. G.D. Wilson.
The Lenten Season, meanwhile, had begun on Ash Wednesday, February 11. A fiJ..:i
F2 tr2at and Decision was shown at the first meeting. The nessages of February 1~
c. nd February 25 were given by lay members Louise Matthews and Dr. (J. D. Wilson. Tr.c:
~ev. Mitchell Curry of Emanuel ucc, Lexington preached on February 16.
The lenten period was saddened by the death on February 27., after a brief
: :-l ness of Mr. Wiley Daniel Sr. , long a dedicated deacon of Plymouth. As was sa~d
at his funeral, he was great because of his goodness. He and his wife had rear~c
their children in this church. His passing brough sorrow to all who knew him.
On March 4, Plymouth visited West Louisville u.c.c. for Lenten services.
Rev. Robinson delivered the message and the Plymouth Choir sang. The following
week Plymouth was host to West Louisville with the Rev. :Mac.Harg of that church :i..rt he pulpit and the West Louisville choir in the choir loft. Then on March 18 t-;-;
youth of Plymouth under the capable direction of their leader Mrs. Winifred Mox . ':
·
present ed the program.
March was indeed a busy month for the pastor. The day after the Lenten
Pervice at West Louisville Church, he had a meeting in Indianapoli s. The same
";~ek, according to· the · bulletin, he spoke in Washington before the Health and We:. f are Council on the sµbject Hurts That Need Healing. There was another busy mem~,-"·:
of Pl ymouth at this time in the person of Mrs. Mae St reet-Kidd, State Represent:::.·_.1-re
fo r the 41st Legislative District. She was busy working for -the Mae Street=Kidl
·
Housing Bill for low income families.
One of the pleasant memories of March ~s that of the presence on Mar.ch 5 of
YJrs. Ann Long Benboe, t'ormer choir -member. Mrs. Benboe who now lives in Florida
was accompanied by her adorable young son and her. grand-fathe r, Mr. Percy Newbrant
Sr., who had been absent from church for sometime due to illness.
There was more sadness d,uring the Lenten Seas.o n.

For deaths came to

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Mr. James Shavers of N-?· 1 York City, :.:n w. c:::..e of Mrs. Pearl Herring and to Mrs. G. P.
Hughes, mother of Plyrr.uuth; s police ·Jfficial, Mr. Willfam Hughes. .M..rs. Hughes had
been a cheerful invalid for several years. She was once a talented musician
serving as organist of one of the local churches. The sympathy of Plymouth parish
was extended to Mrs. Herring and to Mr. Hughes. Word also came of the death of
Y.a- . D. C. Owens whose father,t he late Mr. D. C. Owens Genior.,had in years past been
an ordained deacon of the church. Then, on March 20, Plymouth lost its third member ·
of the year--~. Norman Leroy Williams, among whose i~.mediate survivors are
Mesdames Rosa Wise and Winifred Foley. Born into a family which now boasts three
generations of active workers in Plymouth, he had been unable to attend services for
many years due to ill health. Those who knew him best will recall his patience,
kindness and eagerness to render serviee when and where he could. The sympathy of
the church went to the family.
Maundy Thursday was celebrated by the Church School Sacrificial Meal. Then
there followed in the sanctuary a "Celebratio n of Thanksgivin g" led by the kstor
with readings by Messrs David Dearing and Louis Harper and Mesdames Lucy J. Larke
a~d Clarese Tyree. Easter was as always an impressive service. The flowers brought
by members to be dedicated by the minister in memory of deceased loved ones were
never more beautiful. The Easter promise of resurrectio n was comforting to all.
The April days that followed with budding trees and flowers were symbolic of the
life after death.
On Mothers' Day, May 10, Plymouth had as special guests members of Alpha Kappa
Alpha sorority. Many of the charming young debutantes who had been recently presented by the sorors were also in attendance at morning worship. The church was
indeed happy to welcome these and other visitors. On May 22, Church Women United
observed Leadership Development Day in the lower auditorium. The meeting was
Vance was 11 gardener' 1
sponsored by the Ecumenical Action Planning Group. Mrs. Evelyn
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while Mrs. Carolyn Hulse served as "plow-horse ". The ladies dug in at 9:30 a om.,
had a coffee and chatter break at 11:30 and "plowed" until 12:30. Indeed the hi.2;:-1~-ight of May was the birth on May 22 of a dear little baby girl to Mr. and Mrs.
James Haun. Mrs. Haun will be remembered as a child of Plymouth--M yrtle Davis whose
parents are Mr. and Mrs. James K. Davis. The church was happy with the Hauns.
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might well be termed as Recogni tion Month" at Plymouth. The Jw.c: '7
bulletin of the church carried the names of six pupils who were promoted to the
Junior High level and six to the Senior High. The Senior High graduates listed
Denise Bowers who was the ranking student of her class, Denise Guess, Craig WiJ.,.lj · .•,.·f .-.
and Dwight Williams. From professiona l schools were William c. Brummell Jr. who , . . .;
awarded the L.L.D. degree from Rutgers University and Harold R. Howard, the DoD -L .
from the University of Louisville. These six were presented cash gifts. There
military as well as academic honors to be noted during rhe month. One of the
pleasant surprises of June was a visit from Lieutenant- Colonel Frank McNeil, on~
born into the Plymouth fold, son of the late Deacon Thomas McNeil and his wifeo
His rank bespoke the fact that his ability had been recognized. His own family 0f
wife, two daughters and a son were accompanying him from Germany to Texas where t bny
would remain while Lt.-Col. McNeil went to an assignment in Viet-nam. Mention has
already been made of the return Of Information Specialist James Bryant from Viet-mun.
It was learned that he was about to receive a special citation, an oak leaf cluster
for his con tribution to the progress of the war. (It arrived later.) Then in t:i.e
September 21 issue of the Courier-Jou rnal and Times there appeared a military honer
roll. Heading the list of recipients of the Bronze Star was the name..-:of .Army Staff
Sergeant Terry H. Davis, son of Mr. and Mrs. James K. Davis and husband of Mrs.
Francine Winstead Davis. Thus these two young men who had also been b()rn and
nurtured in the Plymouth fold received military honors. Sgt. Davis attended worshi~
services soon after this honor roll was _published, but slipped out before his friencs
could speak to him. June 19 was a great day for on 1 it was born to the Franklin
Jones a darling baby girl. Mrs. Jones was Plymoutb s Carrye Bowers. Mr. and Mrs~
Joseph P. Bowers thus became the first of Plymouth's new grandparent s of 1970. On

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June 20, the Sund~y Scr.'1ul ce]_c:bratc~d Fathers~ Day with a dellcicus meal which some
of the dads had helped prepare and aerve. Thus the mothers hud an opportunity to be
guests. As us.u-a1, a good time was }:iad by all. Congregatio ns to the: leaders! Rev.
Robinson designeated June 28 as "Recognitic n Day." The Honorable Mae Street Kidd,
Lyman T. Johnson and Jesse P. '\&lt;;arders were cited for their various contributio ns to
the civic life of the community and to the cause of civil rights. The program was
held immediately after morning worship with Mr. Thomas Moxley, chairman of the
Church Council presiding. Mrs. Ethel Robinson, chairman of the program explained
the purpose of recognition . Glowing tributes were paid to Mrs. Kidd, JI.Jr. Warders
and Mr. Johnson by Dr. Milton YoWlg III, Mrs. Elizabeth Alexander and Mr. Frank
Stanley respectivel y. Deacon Chester Wright added wqrds of praise to ll.!l'. Johnson
on behalf of the Board of Deacons and Mr. William Summers presented citations from
the office of His Honor the Mayor of Louisville. Mr .. Summers paid a touching tribute to the friendship shown him in his early youth by Mr. Johnson. The progran
was followed by a beautiful reception in the lower auditorium. Finally, Dr. and Mrs.
Robert W. Dockery presented charming Glenna and her groom, Mr. Leslie Edwards.
On June 18 the Kentuckiana Conference held in Indianapoli s was attended by the
pastor and Mrs. Elmira Brock. The latter brought back a very complete re~ort which
regretably cannot be reproduced in detail. It is hoped that she will share it with
various adult groups of the church. From July 26-29, Mesdames Mary Leake and Rosa
Wise attended the Laity Conference also in Indianapoli s. The latter served as
registrar. Both ladies attended the Mission Institute on September 18 in Elizabethtwon. At this meeting Mrs. Hortense Young conducted one of the workshops. On
September 28 ll.Jrs •. Wise returned to Indianapoli s for the Evaluation of the Laity ConMrs. Leake attended a Spiritual Retreat at Cedarmore near Bagdad,
ference.
Kentucky on October 16-17. Attendance at such conferences greatly enhances church
leadership.
Many of the Plymouth fold traveled on foreign soil in 1970. In late winter
Mr. and Mrs. Frank L. Stanley took their annual Caribbean cruise. A little later
Mrs •. Hortense Young visited several European countries. Mrs. Lloyd Alexander and
her daughter Miss Audrey Ann Belmear, Mr. Edmund Bolan and Dr. and Mrs •. J. A•. G&amp;y
attended the Exposition in Tokyo and also went to other places in the Orient as
Hong Kong, the Philippine Islands, and of course the fiftieth state of Hawaii.
rl1ere were also many out-of-town visitors to Plymouth Church from time to time du:d.1:g
the second half of the year. Among these were Mrs. Mable Pleasant of Oakland,
California, charming sister of the pastor's wife and four dear former members of th::
church: Mrs. Lois :Morton Turner, Chicago, Illinois; Mrs. Anna Mae Beasley Smith,
Detroit, Michigan; Mrs. Birdie Black Delaney, Washington, D.C.; and Mr. Raymond
McReynolds of Lexington, Kentucky. Mrs. Delaney and Mr. McReyno3.ds are former
members of the chancel choir.

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July Mrs ~
The summer months however brought their share of sadness. In ear~y
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Jeannie Payne lost her father, Mr. Harry Claytono On July 23, Mr. Ike Catchir.:g s
a friend and former employe of Plymouth Church passed. On August 12 Mrs. Wilma
Furman a relative of the Wilson sisters of Twenty-firs t Street and of West Broadway
died in her home in Roxbury, Massachuse tts~ Then on Augst 23, the death angel came
again to the family of Mr. William Hughes taking his sister Mrs. Margaret Lee Hughes
Roberts. The entire church sympathized with the bereaved members.
On the brighter side Mr. ,Frank Stanley Sr. was very happy over the fact that
his son and namesake had been granted a full scholarship to study law at the Unive1
sity of Southern California. The Courier-Jou rnal of August 7 carried the news that
a Plymouth's own Carl R. Hines ahd been named director of the Housing Opportunity
Center of the Kentucky Com1;ussion on Human Rights. The Sunday School picnic on
August 22 wcs as usual enjoyed by all attendiog. Last but by no means least, Pl;y:r.outh
Church received with joy the glad tidings that Deacon and Nirs. Lyman T. Johnson had
become grandparent s during the month of August, thus explaining Mrs. Johnson's visit
to Philadelphi a •. To· their son-in-law and daughter, Mr. and Virs. Walter Hutchins of
that city a fine son, Imar Lyman Hutchins had been born.

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ed
On the first Suncl2.y in Aui,;ust , '.;hose in attendance at mnrning worhsip enter
few
that
well
so
the cb.urch through a new front door which resemb led the origin al
was
noticed . The Robinson fa mily took a two weeks vacatio n in August . The pulpil
The
9.
and
ably filled by Chapla in Mitchel l C. Johnson of Fort Knox on August 2
congregation enjoyed hearing hi m and meeting Mrs. Mitche ll. ·
Septe mber 6 was Homecoming Sunday . Many who had been vacatic ning out of thes
service
city were presen t. On September 13, a busines s meeting was called after helping
in
used
be
to
funds
church
the
from
$8000
draw
at which it was voted t~
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finance the renova tion of Plymouth Settle ment House. Septem ber 29 new furnitu
and
Guild
moved into the pastor 's office . It was the gift of the energe tic Plymouth
will be dedica ted later. Congra tulatio ns Guild!
On Sunday , October 4, it was announced that the Robinso n family had moved from
r 2,
the parsona ge into their own home a.t 4232 North Western Parkway. 1 On Octobesister
beloved
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able
M
had come news of the death of V.1rs.
who had visited here in August . The entire congre cation sympathized with their of
month
pastor 1 s wife. Thus be gan a season of sorrow for Plymouth as within the
after a
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member of Plymouth Church and Sunday
her hus band, Mr. Vernon L. Cooper. Then, on Octobe r 19, the entire city wasto :: i : shoc ked by the alti1ost sudden death of l:-1 r. Rufus Stout who though belongi ng
of New Alb!inY :
ent;ther church , attend~d freg_uently with his wife, the former Leah Webb
by for
come
had
Stout
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marriag
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her
of
k
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bore
who
wife
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widely lmown and active in community service
day
loss with Christ ian fortitu de had the sympathy and admiration of all. Oninthe
sleep
his
in
died
e
Whedbe
of Mr. Stout's death in Louisv ille, Iv'.1r. Ellis
beE.n
Pittsbu r 0h, Pennsy lvania at the ho,ne of his foster daughte r. Nr. Whedbee had
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of
tion
gernera
third
the
t orn into Plymouth Church fold and represe nted
at
coach
k
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and
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teache
science
in his fa mily. He was well !mown as a for mer
he was
Centra l Hi gh, as well a~ a Boy Scout Leader . He had attended Plymouth until
ss
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later
tc
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one
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.
too cripple d by bursit is. Many !l!.Ourned his passing
oir..ed
j
had
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on.
alizati
hospit
Nadge Irvin Boalware succumbed after a few days of
Plyr11outh Church upon moving to Louisv ille. Hers was a beautif ul life in every
f r ie~as,
sence of the wor d. She was a consec rated Christ ian, devoted to fa mily and· . A
Library
ranch
B
Harris
and dedicat ed to her work as supervi sor of the Rachel
'.':.
grief -• str ic l..en Plymoutl:.., as well as many others shared the sorrow of her bereav,
husband , Dr. Theodo re Boalware, and her other relativ es.
..: : •
Despite the prepon derance of sadness in Octobe r, there were rays of sunshin
four
its
of
Dr. Iiazel R. Bolan was notifie d by Pi Theta Lambda that she was one
ero
delega tes selecte d to attend the White House Confere nce on Childre n in Decemb headCn Sunday , October ll, the Courie r•Journ al and Times carried an article ~withKenneth
lines Ex--LouJ.svillian Desis;ns Gandhi Exhil;p.t. That ex-Lou isvillia n was Mt-.
sity of Louisv ille who is now
v. Young, a gradua te of Centra l High and of the Univer
a design er on the Smiths onian Institu te staff. J.l.m. Young's wife is the former
er of the
Morissa Foley, daught er of Deacon and ¥.i:rs. F. T. Foley. The infant daught other.
Youngs was christe ned in Plymouth Church as were her mother and her grandm t which
exhibi
Mzi. Young has receive d many congra tulatio ns I f'rom far and near on the
III, a
Young
Milton
Dr.
birth.
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Gandhi
•.
K
as
marked the centen nial of Mohand
in a
month
the
during
heard
was
which
panel
a
Plymouth member, partici pated in
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of
member
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Young.
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to
ns
tulatio
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subjec
the
on
ity
mittee and is a recogn ized author
,)n ·octobe r 15, many Plymouth familie s enjoyed the annual Laity Dinner which
and
is sponso red by the c. s. ·c. (Congr egation al Service Club).. Delicio us food and
Long,
Helen
Mrs.
by
ted
conduc
Nameo,
fine fellows hip were abunda nt. The game
guaran teed to ac~uai nt strange rs has become a favorit e feature of this affair~

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History - 6
November brought sorrow to a p1_~1mouth family when Mrs. Frances Jackson, mother
of Mrs. Edward Maxey (Beryl or Jack::.e Maxey to her friends ) died in Stamping Ground,
Kentucky. Mrs. Jackson was highly regarded. Rev. Robinson, ~any church members and
other Louisville friends attended the final rites in Stamping Ground. Their presence
plus the many messages from those who could not go were a solace to Mrs. Maxey • .
Plymouth lost two members in November • . Mrs. Arline Booker Dent has joined the
church of her husband, while Mrs •. Lillian Richardson has not changed her membership,
she has moved to Cleveland to live ,dth her son-in-law and daughter, Dr. and Mrs.
Q. F. Montgomery.
Other reports of the· month were of a more cheerful aspect. Mrs. Elizabeth
Alexander went to New York City to represent the Louisville Association of Social
Studies Teachers at their national meeting which convened on November 23.
The E.T. Woolridges looked very happy on their November visit not only because
their son Theodric Jr. (Teddy) had last year in his junior high school year won
highest honors in science which would entitle him to a scholarship to General Motors
Institute; but also because Teddy's brother Mr. Stephen Samuels and his wife (both
members of Plymouth) had become the proud parents of a baby girls. Mrs. and Mrs.
Evan Guess were equally happy over the November birth of a little daughter to
Mr. and Mrs. Atwood Guess. · November also made grandparents of Mr. and Mrs. Lacomis
Mr. Curry
C. Curry. A son was born to Mr. and .Mrs. Virgil Curry of Cleveland.
himself was ~ne of Plymouth's babies. The number of new grand-parents in Plymouth
is increasing.
Plymouth Church hosted the Union Thanksgiving Day Service this year with Rev.
Robinson delivering the message and with special music by Plymouth cancel choir plus
guests from Zion Baptist under the direction of Mr. Mayfield. It was a glorious
daf. The main floor of the sanctuary was filled and some seats in the balcony were
occupied. There were many favorable comments upon the sermon, the music and
Plymouth hospitality.
The final event of the church year was a reception on November 27 in the lower
auditorium to which Mrs. W. C. Burmmell Sr. invited members of Plymouth and other
friends to greet her son Attorney W. C. Burmmell Jr. and meet his very attractive
br ide, the former Miss Jeanette Faucette of Greensboro, North Carolina. It was a
lovely party; and while the young couple was being felicitated upon their marria ge,
many took the opportunity to congratulate the groom upon having passed the New
Jersey bar and having secured employment as clerk to a superior court judge . Thu,s
ended the year December 1, 1969 through November 30, 1970 in the annals of Plymout h
Church hisotyr. It is hoped that in 1971, the number of new members uniting with
the church will exceed that of those lost by death and separation; and, secondly ,
that parishioners long absent, unless physically unable,will resume attendance a t
worship services.
Respectfully submitted by:
F. Louise Matthews, Historian

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( Exact copy from Corporation
Book # 38, pages 443-44 5 .)

ART ICL E OF INC RP O AT ION OF
CH C

HE PLY~

TH

ONGREGA TI O 1AL

Know all men by these presents, th a t the fol low i ng subscribi bg
persons and t he ir associa te s have associa ted t hem selves toge t he r
to establish a cor po ration un der t e provi s io ns of Chapter 3
Article VIII of th e Kent ucky statutes, and, s ubject to the laws
of the Commonwealth of Kentucky, have ado pt ed the fol l owing
Article s of in~or po ration, to wit:-

Article f. Th e name of the corporation hereby formed shall
"Plymouth Cong re ga t i onal Church."
Article II• Th e principal office o f th i s cor po ration shall
be loca te d in loui s v·ille, Jeffer s on County,

ent uc ky.

Artivle Ill. The nature of t he busine s s of the corporation
and t he objects and purpo ses proposed to be promoted and car r ied
o n byte said cor po ration shall be as fol l ows :- To advance th e
cause of the christian reli g ion, to provide a p lace o f wo r sh ip
for i ts members to be conduc te d in accordance with the rules, regulations, and laws of t he cong regational faith; to contract and be
contracted with, to sue and be sued, to ma ke a nd use the cor por a t e
seal, to ta ke, receive

d hold all manner s of land, rents, and

hereditaments as well as a ny s um of mone y an d po r t i ons of good s
and chattels purchased, acquired, g iven or beq ueat hed und e r said
corporation, and to em p loy, s ell or dispose of s a me, or mort ga ge ,
convey or hy pot he ca t e any r ea J estate or

ersonal pr o pe rty s o

acquired, subject however, to th e limi t atio ns of law t hat said
corporation shall not be o pera t ed , ma na g d or u sed f o r priv ate
gain, nor enga ge in any p lan of ban k ing o r i nsu r anc e .

�Article IV. Th ere sha l l be no ca p ital stock nor stochholders
in this corporation.

Artiole V. Thi s corporati on s hall

com ■ ence

wh en thes e arti-

cl e s are filed and recorded as require d by law and a certific ate
of that fact i s i s s ued by the secretary o f th e s tat e of Kentuc ky
an d shall continue for nine t y-nine years, unless soone r d i so lv ed
byte oper•tion of law.
Arti cle VI. The affairs of this corporation shall be conducted by a board 'of trustees comp osed of not less than fiv e and
not more than fifteen members to be elected by ballot at a meeting of . the members of the said Plymout h Cong regational Church,
to be held at the church for that purpose on the second Wednesday
in (end of pa g e 443) January every year. Not ice of said me et ing
shall be given from the pulpit on

unday morning at the hour of

service for two consecutive Sundays next preceding date of said
me e t i rig_.
Section l.

Until the nex ! ~ dating for the purpose of electing

a Board of Trustees, which will be in January, 1929 , or until t he ir
successors are duly elected and qualified, the pres ent trustees,
namely:- Samuel ~oodson, Clarence You ng , Irvine St. Clair, E.

c.

Malone, Richard ~.

liver, James Bryant, V. L. Coo per, J • • Cata-

lin, James Chi p ley,

Jelson

~ .•

Willis and Albert t1. Sm ith shall be

the trust ees of said cor po ration.
Section

Jl.

Said Board of Tru stee s sh a ll have th e powe r and

it shall be i ts duty to s ell, convey, mortgag e and otherwise dispos e o f any an d all pro perty, the ti t le to wh ic h may be aquired
by t he said cor poration un der i ts c ha r t er, pr ovi ded , th at s uch

I

�It

,·

',

,.

I

( Art. I ncorp. P. Cong. Ch.)

sale, conveyance or disposal of any real pro perty so held or

acquired shall be reques te d by vo t e at a me e ting of t he congregation of said Plymouth Cong regational Church, of which due notice
shall be given from the pul p it on Sund ay morning at the ho ur of
reli g i ous servioe at least two week~ previous to s uc h mee ting ,
and whic h notice shall sta te th e contemplated sale, conveyance
or mort ga ge, and provid~d that two- th ird s of the members present
at such m00 tin g shal l vo te in favor of such sale, c6nveyance or
mort oage.
Section 3. Any conveyance or mortgage of real es t ate by the
corporation as herinbefore authorized shall be made by deed under
its corporate name a nd seal and shall be signed on behalf of said
c or poration by the members constituting the Board of

rustees at

t he time of s uch conveyance or a majority the re-of.
\

,'

', ...

Section 4. The

oard of Trust e es shall elect and mai~ t ain in

office a Chairman upon whom
.- process may be served an d the Board of
.

Trus tees name d in Section1 f
19 24

'

ereof have alected E. C. ~alone, of

Magazine Stre e t, Louis~ille~ 'ent uc ky, as the Chairman upon

whom process may be served.
Section 5. Jh e

oard of T~us t ees herein _spo en of shall per-

form all of - the duties generally performed by a Board of Directors.
In other words, t he Trustees shall be t he Directors of th e corporation.
Article Vl"I. Th e hi g hest amount of indebtedness or liability
which t h is corpora t ion may at any t ime i ncur shall be and is the
sum of ~ l O, O

o. o.

Article VII I. The private pro perty of the mem bers of t h is
cor po ration shall not be liable for nor subject to the pay me nt of

�I

'

(irt. ' lnc;:orp. P. Cong. Ch .)

corporate debts.
Article IX. Th ese article s may,wi t h the concent of two-t irds
of the member s present at a me e ting, a no t ice of wh ich has been
AYtd~ 1lI.
given as provided in s ection ,: hereof, be a mended by articles of

11

amendment sig ned by member s of t he Board of

rus t e e s for the time

bei ng or the majori t y t he reof.
In testimony whereof, wi t ness t he signatures of the incorporators this the 1s t day of Octo ber, 192 •

E. C. alone
James Bryant
E • G. Harris
J. Everett -.t a .r ris

State of Kentucky

w. n.

flftatt hews
Sam Woodson
C. Young
J.
• Ca tali n
Nelson Wil l is

)

{ ss

County of Jefferson)

1, Beatrice are, a Notary Public, in and for the state and
county aforesaid hereby certify that on this day the fore goin g
instrument of writing was produced to me in said County and acknowled P. ed and delivered by, E. C. ~alone, James ryant, E• • Harris,
J. Everett Hards, ~. B . na.tthews, Sam Woodson, c. Young, J. O. Cata1 in, and elson Willis• par ies t hereto, to t heir act and de e d.

In t estimony whereof witness my signature this 1st day of
October, 19 2 •
Beatrice /are
Notary
Public
Jefferson County
Kentucky

Beatrice Ware
~y commission expires August 3, 1930

(End of pag e444]
I, ~ • • Stiglitz, Clerk of t he Coun t y Cour t of Jefferson County
in the State of Kentucky, do certify t hat on t his day at 4:1 8 o'clock
P. ~. t he foregoin g article s of incorporation were produced to me in
my office, and t hat I have recorded them, thi s and the foregoi ng certificate in my said office.

Vitne s s my hand t his 16 day of Oct. 1928
~. · • Stigli t z, Clerk

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                    <text>ARTICLES OF INCORPORATIOlf

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Be i,t ICnnn By These Pr•••nt1, That Ya steokhott, J'.O .. Kla1i,
:Sdwin ¥ Ritter,. h'ed Elaemnenaer, Jr., c.J .Xnauer, Rebert sener, Saal
a. Bl~enbaker, D J'.P.Sohoettler, Geo G Kern, Chall J' Arrq, wa Y.
Attl~, W.A. Hill, and our aseootatea an• euoo••ora have asaooiate4
and incorporated ouraelTee tosether u a body oorpo:rat• and politlo
utHr and in purauanoe to the Kentuoq Statute•, and have made and
tti,iae4 and do by these present ■ Dake, o:raa\ni••• and fora a oorporat!on
wa••r '1• 1lawa of ~•n,uolcy, with all the powera and rishta incident ·
l;h•Jll\et.A', with power to sue, oontraot and be oontrao1ied with , and to
hav~. and. use a common seal &amp;nd io alter the aame at pleasure, to reoelT
and .~ o hold property real and personal whether obtained by puroha•••
g1~4, or 4eYiae as 111&amp;1' be neeeeaar7 to carry on or promote the obJeota
ot /thia oorporation, and~ sell oi- dispose ot ■ aid propert,' a1i pleaa~•·• wtle1s the property 11&amp;,a been reoelvecl as a sitt or 4eT1 ■ e t•~ eome
•1e1aial purpoee, a d l t •1~•0•1 ved, it ahall be applied only tor auoh
~pose, and shall have a right to adopt euch rules for its sovermunt
.'andi, operation not tnoonaietent with the law aa Trueteea ma;r deem proper,
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Tbe./ name ot the corporation shall be, "West Louiaville ll:Tans•lioal
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be ', in 'lhe Olty ot Louisville, J'etter■ on coun,y. Jtentuoq.
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3. ~ 11aiture' of the 'buaine■ a ot the corperat1on .s hall be the
/4irt4"c,t ing ot a httu■ e of relisloua wor■hip and aa auoh it aolcziow1-dg•• :the oanollioal booke of tile Old and Jf. . Tea, ...nt to
l»• the renaled Worl of God and t he aole and infallible rule of

~a1$h .an4 praotice1 11i aooett• the interpretation of the Holy'
' s,r1pture• , a~ laid. dcnra 1n the Symbolioal books 0. f 1ihe Lutheran
/ ~ J'•torme4 ChurOhea, principal among which are Ille Au&amp;abura

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Qonteaaion, Lu,her• a Small Cateohiaa, and the Heidelberg
tbat/eohi• inaofu ae they agree. WhereeYer 1iheae dlaasr•• how-

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lraty ot ~onaoienoe oharaoter1at1o of the Evangelical Ohuroh.

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tollow1na ottloera. By th• paator and a Board of
President
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Vloe•Prea, Beoor41ns S•oretai-y, J'inanoial Seore,ary and. a
Treuurer, but afl7 two of ■ aid ottioera 'fJfay be filled by one
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•ix meu,re are to retire
•liglble tor rt••leotion. The tinl -Boa1"4 of
howeTel'
ahall. be oompoae4 of 'Che 1ncorporator 1 whoee
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of tw•lT•
and they ehall eonlinue in ottioe witll
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annuall.1' on the aeoond 8un46.3' 1n Ja.miaJ.7 each yearthereatt er
at Loui■ T.ille• Keatuoq. 'l'h• Boar4 of Ti-u•t•• • •hall be eleot~
by the, ·meiber■., ancl 'the otticrera aball be eleo,ed by the :Boar«
of Truete.• ••
(1) The hi,lheat aount ot 1n4ebtedneaa or 11ab111t7 which th•
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b.11tuoq thl ■ ~0th d."1 of January 1916.
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stat• and c,un\y atores atd. do hereb;y oertlfy 'lbat lht fo:regolnc

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u,1ol• • ot Incorp oration were p~oduced lo•• and were sisne4
EClwln
aolmowleclged, and delive red by Wm stockh ott, J.O.Kemt,
JI lli1iter , ft-eel :ictse ~er, Jr., c.J.Knua•r, Rob e~t hlWW t Saal
l'.e:tn, Chall J A:bJ7. Ya
c :Blanktnl&gt;e.ker, Win J •• Schoef fler, Geo G
., Altlx and Wm A Hill, partiee t . . ere'lo to be their aoi andofcleef.
Glven unde:r• my hand and seal o:t o:tttoe thie 20ih 4-.y
Januar y 1916.
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W01ia2'Y Pullie , Jett Co •., KY.
Jan 23, 1918.
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4110 P. M.
tn the State ot Kentucky do oertity that on &amp;1• 4qedat to••
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It's going now.&#13;
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Okay, let's see.&#13;
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It's about 245.&#13;
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She got a clock over there.&#13;
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&#13;
and we are eating chocolate.&#13;
&#13;
Chocolate?&#13;
&#13;
Well, I got in trouble last time.&#13;
&#13;
You want that light on?&#13;
&#13;
You know, when the Texas still used&#13;
&#13;
to be over on the square.&#13;
&#13;
Well, you got that?&#13;
&#13;
Well, I knew you traveled Philadelphia.&#13;
&#13;
My friend, his sister lives in Philadelphia. Right.&#13;
&#13;
And we stayed there.&#13;
&#13;
That's really nice.&#13;
&#13;
All night.&#13;
&#13;
And he went back to New Jersey&#13;
&#13;
and stayed with Richard and everything.&#13;
&#13;
And that's one reason why.&#13;
&#13;
That's one reason why he was hugging and kissing me.&#13;
&#13;
35 years.&#13;
&#13;
I think it's been 35 years.&#13;
&#13;
He's living better.&#13;
&#13;
And he went to Philadelphia.&#13;
&#13;
His sister is in Philadelphia.&#13;
&#13;
They're both girls, but he married a girl.&#13;
&#13;
And where did the girl live? On it.&#13;
&#13;
Where did his wife live?&#13;
&#13;
New Jersey.&#13;
&#13;
That's a long way from that place.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
He called two or three times a week.&#13;
&#13;
Come on, Rich.&#13;
&#13;
Come on now.&#13;
&#13;
He missed you.&#13;
&#13;
He said, now, I'm going to make sure I call.&#13;
&#13;
And you had this, but I know you're on the way.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Don't do that, Rich.&#13;
&#13;
He said, I'm going to keep calling.&#13;
&#13;
Keep calling and keep calling.&#13;
&#13;
And if you ain't on this way.&#13;
&#13;
I told him, I said I'll be there soon.&#13;
&#13;
Maybe this weekend.&#13;
&#13;
I'm trying to west.&#13;
&#13;
Well, the job is after a while.&#13;
&#13;
We're worried about the job.&#13;
&#13;
I want to get a long ways a week stay with him a week.&#13;
&#13;
Then he went over and stayed with the&#13;
&#13;
girls one day or two days or something.&#13;
&#13;
Then we went to Atlanta City.&#13;
&#13;
We got everything done.&#13;
&#13;
What's wrong?&#13;
&#13;
I said it for more than one day.&#13;
&#13;
She tells me, what are you going to call?&#13;
&#13;
What do you call tapery&#13;
&#13;
car, honey, there's nothing special.&#13;
&#13;
Well, look, we don't have to slip and go.&#13;
&#13;
We can go where we want to go.&#13;
&#13;
And when we want to go, ain't nobody&#13;
&#13;
got nothing due to where we go.&#13;
&#13;
Ain't nobody giving us no money. Well, let me see.&#13;
&#13;
We got a flyer there and two of us.&#13;
&#13;
Well, now, this one's got a blue here. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
You just have to share it.&#13;
&#13;
All right.&#13;
&#13;
I would have got one with more&#13;
&#13;
flowers if I could have found it.&#13;
&#13;
I thought that road was awful.&#13;
&#13;
And then while you had it set in&#13;
&#13;
the car, I got a thing over there.&#13;
&#13;
You said that in there?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, but you can't do it.&#13;
&#13;
Well, I don't want it sitting up on my juice.&#13;
&#13;
It won't hurt.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
I'll will take it down later on.&#13;
&#13;
I think eventually it probably&#13;
&#13;
needs to get some sunlight.&#13;
&#13;
That's right.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, look, it's got a whole lot of&#13;
&#13;
buds, and it's got some beds on it. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Let me ask you a couple of questions&#13;
&#13;
about from when I was here last time. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
Now, you got married April 14, 1973.&#13;
&#13;
How long have you been going together?&#13;
&#13;
One year.&#13;
&#13;
About a year. One year.&#13;
&#13;
So when you first went up there to the&#13;
&#13;
wake, when you first went up there to the&#13;
&#13;
week, that was like April or summer or something.&#13;
&#13;
The year before? Yeah. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
Wait, I give you engagement ring on Christmas.&#13;
&#13;
Engagement?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
On Christmas a year ago.&#13;
&#13;
On Christmas.&#13;
&#13;
And then you got married in April next year, right?&#13;
&#13;
Like four months, right?&#13;
&#13;
Not for a whole year.&#13;
&#13;
Whole year.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, so you wait a whole year&#13;
&#13;
and then till April after that?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
You were engaged a long time.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
He went up down at 30.&#13;
&#13;
We was old road then. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Did I see you here last I see&#13;
&#13;
you last year or he pointed me.&#13;
&#13;
Did I see you?&#13;
&#13;
Yes, sir.&#13;
&#13;
And you speak.&#13;
&#13;
I don't want you to speak.&#13;
&#13;
If you go down, you go down here&#13;
&#13;
and drive it like you say, 50 miles.&#13;
&#13;
Was that 70 miles.&#13;
&#13;
How far is that?&#13;
&#13;
It's 72 miles from my land.&#13;
&#13;
Where she live?&#13;
&#13;
On the north side. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
North side.&#13;
&#13;
What street were you living on?&#13;
&#13;
On the northwest side.&#13;
&#13;
I woke up there a second story.&#13;
&#13;
So you are going up there?&#13;
&#13;
Pretty regular.&#13;
&#13;
But the thing, the cutest thing.&#13;
&#13;
I met him at a funeral home.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, she already got that thing.&#13;
&#13;
Now, what was the name of the funeral home?&#13;
&#13;
We're Willis.&#13;
&#13;
It was awake, right?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that was awake.&#13;
&#13;
But Claude White, right? Claude White.&#13;
&#13;
He says I had a hard time and he was an elk. Yeah. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
Now that's another question.&#13;
&#13;
You were a steam leader.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
What's a steam leader?&#13;
&#13;
What does that mean?&#13;
&#13;
What do you do?&#13;
&#13;
Because I've never been in him.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, the app is feeling right.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, he was a member.&#13;
&#13;
I was coming.&#13;
&#13;
It's second rank.&#13;
&#13;
But just for that night?&#13;
&#13;
No, for a year. Wherever it is.&#13;
&#13;
For a year.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
But was it the club or not?&#13;
&#13;
No one in Bloomington.&#13;
&#13;
But did you think that you being a&#13;
&#13;
team leader does that, like, gets her attention&#13;
&#13;
knowing that she had that status?&#13;
&#13;
Well, were you impressed?&#13;
&#13;
She was too much impressed.&#13;
&#13;
Because she had a lot of other&#13;
&#13;
dudes looking at come a long way.&#13;
&#13;
Did she say he beat their time?&#13;
&#13;
Yes, he beat their time.&#13;
&#13;
He made it.&#13;
&#13;
He did everything he could do for&#13;
&#13;
me to make things nice for me.&#13;
&#13;
Shoot, I didn't have to worn from now.&#13;
&#13;
He was good to me.&#13;
&#13;
If he had a pen, I wouldn't be in his bed now.&#13;
&#13;
He won your hand.&#13;
&#13;
Yes, he did.&#13;
&#13;
He sure did. Yes.&#13;
&#13;
I was the best woman because a lot of banks.&#13;
&#13;
But they didn't get it.&#13;
&#13;
He was desirable.&#13;
&#13;
I guess I was.&#13;
&#13;
I was the one that he picked.&#13;
&#13;
And we've been to kill off a long time now.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
We've come through many things.&#13;
&#13;
We go on around America, me and&#13;
&#13;
their boy, we really have enjoyed him.&#13;
&#13;
And I, honey, I could drive, too.&#13;
&#13;
I was a Whizzer then.&#13;
&#13;
I could drive my foot in that gas and wall.&#13;
&#13;
Before you got married? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
You had a car?&#13;
&#13;
No, she had his car.&#13;
&#13;
She drove my car.&#13;
&#13;
But, you see, at that time and since I&#13;
&#13;
know that I was going to get married when&#13;
&#13;
the company says, hey, we're going to work seven&#13;
&#13;
days, we can work six days on overtime.&#13;
&#13;
Central Founders Way on the Hills.&#13;
&#13;
Where were they from?&#13;
&#13;
People from the Hills all in way&#13;
&#13;
over on no, the Hill, West Virginia.&#13;
&#13;
Did you drive with her?&#13;
&#13;
Trust her?&#13;
&#13;
Trust her.&#13;
&#13;
But then with that, you're sister?&#13;
&#13;
No.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, your grandma's sister. Oh, murder.&#13;
&#13;
You talking about murder?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, not murder.&#13;
&#13;
The other girl, somebody else died.&#13;
&#13;
But you loaned her your car.&#13;
&#13;
Did you loan her your car?&#13;
&#13;
I took a chance because the roads&#13;
&#13;
were narrow and she could slip off.&#13;
&#13;
She would have 2 miles to go to confidence in herself.&#13;
&#13;
After I looked at that road, I think it&#13;
&#13;
wasn't too long after that was me and my&#13;
&#13;
aunt went that time and breath a little hard.&#13;
&#13;
I can see her had drawn up over in the corner.&#13;
&#13;
We went on down to West Virginia Bay.&#13;
&#13;
Now, is this before you were married? Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
So this was during that year when you were engaged.&#13;
&#13;
After you were engaged.&#13;
&#13;
So you asked him if you could borrow the cost or&#13;
&#13;
he just offered no, because can I use your car?&#13;
&#13;
So then I'm going to have to work Saturday and Sunday?&#13;
&#13;
Yes.&#13;
&#13;
Did you have your driver's license? Sure.&#13;
&#13;
I wouldn't have been driving without it.&#13;
&#13;
That's a long way to West Virginia.&#13;
&#13;
That's a long but it was no sweat to me.&#13;
&#13;
I put my foot in the air.&#13;
&#13;
I have a big deck a month.&#13;
&#13;
Neither of my grandmothers used to drive.&#13;
&#13;
Neither of them did.&#13;
&#13;
Well, let's see, they were born.&#13;
&#13;
One of them was born in one of them.&#13;
&#13;
So they were quite a bit older than you. Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
But neither of them ever learned to drive.&#13;
&#13;
We got a woman now that the husband runs a car&#13;
&#13;
wars, and she's just now learning to drive the car.&#13;
&#13;
She had never learned to drive.&#13;
&#13;
Well, every time we look up to Go,&#13;
&#13;
Mississippi, every time we look up, they go.&#13;
&#13;
They're going to go crazy.&#13;
&#13;
They make it too many trips down there.&#13;
&#13;
But see, you guys, he trusted you&#13;
&#13;
and you had confidence in yourself. Yes.&#13;
&#13;
And I went on to West Virginia with no sweat.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's a long way.&#13;
&#13;
But I went and when I got there, I called.&#13;
&#13;
And you called them.&#13;
&#13;
You said we made it. Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
In one day, I put my foot in the gate.&#13;
&#13;
Now you got a new car.&#13;
&#13;
After you started going with that right.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, because the old car didn't have a good heater.&#13;
&#13;
I named our car.&#13;
&#13;
That was Brown Sugar, the one&#13;
&#13;
that didn't have a good heater.&#13;
&#13;
And what was the Net?&#13;
&#13;
That was a beautiful Cadillac now.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
She has come here.&#13;
&#13;
She never would go down. Never go down?&#13;
&#13;
No, but I think one time you&#13;
&#13;
were out washing it in the driveway.&#13;
&#13;
I got one restaurant.&#13;
&#13;
We used to have a Brown one, but that was bigger.&#13;
&#13;
How do you spell Ostravine?&#13;
&#13;
O-C-T-A-V-I-N-E-V-I-N-E-I wasn't sure if it&#13;
&#13;
was Z e or V-I-V-I-N-E.&#13;
&#13;
And is that Rose Durson's? Mother?&#13;
&#13;
Mother in law.&#13;
&#13;
Her mother in law. Right. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
Her husband.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
She must have married somebody.&#13;
&#13;
Wait, who you tell that?&#13;
&#13;
Rosen, Dr.&#13;
&#13;
Beans, Octavine and Harold married.&#13;
&#13;
They wasn't married.&#13;
&#13;
I thought they were.&#13;
&#13;
I don't know.&#13;
&#13;
But you knew. You knew them who?&#13;
&#13;
I did, but I thought they were married.&#13;
&#13;
Are you sure, honey?&#13;
&#13;
Not sure.&#13;
&#13;
She's got that Durson from her.&#13;
&#13;
From her husband?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, from her dad.&#13;
&#13;
From her dad.&#13;
&#13;
From whose dad?&#13;
&#13;
Her husband was named Duke.&#13;
&#13;
How was Octavine?&#13;
&#13;
Answer a question now.&#13;
&#13;
Octavine was Howard White.&#13;
&#13;
Harold was Rose their daughter?&#13;
&#13;
No, her husband.&#13;
&#13;
You don't know whether it was&#13;
&#13;
common law or what or not.&#13;
&#13;
They were going as husband and wife. That's all.&#13;
&#13;
You know.&#13;
&#13;
Harold married her.&#13;
&#13;
What's his name?&#13;
&#13;
O'bannon.&#13;
&#13;
Now.&#13;
&#13;
Hey, she don't go by?&#13;
&#13;
No, I have Boban supposed to go with Alabama.&#13;
&#13;
Well, okay, they're not married.&#13;
&#13;
Rose in on that.&#13;
&#13;
She goes with Obama. Yeah. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
That's her bar friend, your cousin. All right. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
But maybe her first husband.&#13;
&#13;
But was she married before? To somebody? I don't know.&#13;
&#13;
Rose Durston. He has K.&#13;
&#13;
That okay.&#13;
&#13;
Durston is her family name. That's right. Her family.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
She never got me.&#13;
&#13;
Well, you know what part.&#13;
&#13;
Okay, well, then I know the story.&#13;
&#13;
I do know that much.&#13;
&#13;
I know why you knew that man.&#13;
&#13;
He was the brother. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
That's where he come in.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, right.&#13;
&#13;
And that was at the Bloomington Watch.&#13;
&#13;
Let me get her plans together.&#13;
&#13;
You know what I do want to go back to when you were&#13;
&#13;
living up here in Bedford and when you got the best one.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
The girlfriend in Bloomston.&#13;
&#13;
That's what he's doing.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I know about that girlfriend, but&#13;
&#13;
that was after his first wife died.&#13;
&#13;
Do you mind if I asked him about what happened?&#13;
&#13;
How he.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, no, honey. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
No, I'm not like it's.&#13;
&#13;
Like I did everything in the world I could.&#13;
&#13;
And that was his first wife. Mother.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, I'm not really like it.&#13;
&#13;
I didn't know anything about hard him.&#13;
&#13;
Well, I didn't know all that.&#13;
&#13;
I didn't know nothing about her.&#13;
&#13;
I had no need to have no kind of feeling.&#13;
&#13;
That was history. Hold on.&#13;
&#13;
That was his first wife.&#13;
&#13;
That was his first wife and Schmidt.&#13;
&#13;
It was my first husband more.&#13;
&#13;
I appreciate that girl.&#13;
&#13;
I appreciate that.&#13;
&#13;
No, honey, you don't have to worry.&#13;
&#13;
She's not going anywhere.&#13;
&#13;
No, she ain't going nowhere.&#13;
&#13;
And ain't I need him trying to put me nowhere.&#13;
&#13;
Well, then I'd like to know about what happened after.&#13;
&#13;
Just keep telling that story.&#13;
&#13;
When you finished high school and came up here&#13;
&#13;
and the guy gave you the best ride.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, and then you got the&#13;
&#13;
job working for the doctor, right?&#13;
&#13;
Okay, so then you were a young man.&#13;
&#13;
I guess that's right.&#13;
&#13;
18 years old.&#13;
&#13;
And then what happened?&#13;
&#13;
I want to fill in the area what happened between&#13;
&#13;
that and the times somebody asked me hey about the&#13;
&#13;
both me something about how old were you when I&#13;
&#13;
started out that boy got to be.&#13;
&#13;
[Tape 1, Side A ends]&#13;
&#13;
[Tape 1, Side B begins]&#13;
&#13;
You're figuring? Yeah. Okay. All right.&#13;
&#13;
You were living up here.&#13;
&#13;
How long did you stay with us?&#13;
&#13;
Maybe five to two years.&#13;
&#13;
Is that right? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And then I went down the train and&#13;
&#13;
I worked down the train two years. Oh, really?&#13;
&#13;
You got a daughter? Two years.&#13;
&#13;
And then me and my wife, we decided that was me.&#13;
&#13;
I went to Chicago.&#13;
&#13;
You went to Chicago?&#13;
&#13;
We went to Chicago.&#13;
&#13;
And that's where we got married.&#13;
&#13;
When did you get married in Chicago, year old Marcus.&#13;
&#13;
That probably hits about it, right?&#13;
&#13;
I went in Detroit and then mom said she's almost safe.&#13;
&#13;
I end up coming on back.&#13;
&#13;
And that's when I started to fool around, trying&#13;
&#13;
to work for different families in different places.&#13;
&#13;
And I work at the Diane Shop and everything.&#13;
&#13;
Look at you, leg.&#13;
&#13;
Like she's got it right down there when&#13;
&#13;
F and I got it down there. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
So you must have been 54 when you got married.&#13;
&#13;
I'm thinking that, too, when you were a young man trying&#13;
&#13;
to fill in the part of your life that came before.&#13;
&#13;
So you worked for the doctor and&#13;
&#13;
for the doctor, you did yard work.&#13;
&#13;
And that was before World War II.&#13;
&#13;
What were you doing at Crane?&#13;
&#13;
Well, I was working at the Marine Marine barracks.&#13;
&#13;
And that Marine Sergeant Has working for us here.&#13;
&#13;
And he said, Would you like to be a Marine?&#13;
&#13;
He got me, got my paperwork, everything.&#13;
&#13;
He sent it to the Pentagon.&#13;
&#13;
And the Pentagon told me.&#13;
&#13;
He said, hey, we haven't any place for Negro.&#13;
&#13;
That's when I went down to Forest,&#13;
&#13;
he was hit knock her down.&#13;
&#13;
Well, he went ahead and knock her down there.&#13;
&#13;
Galagher man by the name of Galagher.&#13;
&#13;
He was hit, knock her down.&#13;
&#13;
And he hurt the Forest over the construction.&#13;
&#13;
I went to him, I said, hey, I'm&#13;
&#13;
not going to keep working like this.&#13;
&#13;
So I cut out there.&#13;
&#13;
And that's when my wife and I&#13;
&#13;
decided we're going to start getting married.&#13;
&#13;
I got away from this little segregated deal&#13;
&#13;
with the construction thing and the head knocker.&#13;
&#13;
Was that going on at Crane? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
What is headlocker?&#13;
&#13;
Well, construction.&#13;
&#13;
And then the man was head man down.&#13;
&#13;
Crane.&#13;
&#13;
You mean the charger the whole time? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
He died here not too long ago.&#13;
&#13;
It said he'd been in charge of craving.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
So this would be for World War II?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right. Shortly.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
How did you make your wife wait a minute.&#13;
&#13;
We're all friends.&#13;
&#13;
And then we're more youngsters together in Mitchell? No.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
When I worked at Buyers, I was sitting on that porch.&#13;
&#13;
Porch.&#13;
&#13;
Porch on my mother in law's porch.&#13;
&#13;
Look at this gas.&#13;
&#13;
So you knew the family? Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
How did you meet the family, Mrs.&#13;
&#13;
Meyer?&#13;
&#13;
What was her name?&#13;
&#13;
Oh, the buyers. They were.&#13;
&#13;
But these people right here, what was&#13;
&#13;
their what do call in, didn't you?&#13;
&#13;
Well, no, wait a minute.&#13;
&#13;
Campbell. Campbell.&#13;
&#13;
I checked with him.&#13;
&#13;
Sonny Campbell live in Bloomington.&#13;
&#13;
He was out there.&#13;
&#13;
And like you say, poor devil.&#13;
&#13;
But he lived out on that Social Security place here.&#13;
&#13;
No, he never lived near that&#13;
&#13;
Social Security place out there.&#13;
&#13;
That's pretty camel.&#13;
&#13;
And she was accountable.&#13;
&#13;
My wife was accountable.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
And Tony is accountable, too.&#13;
&#13;
Tony in Chicago related to Sunny Campbell.&#13;
&#13;
And to who's?&#13;
&#13;
The guy in Chicago.&#13;
&#13;
But how did you meet her family?&#13;
&#13;
Listen, Mommy, Jude and Joe Bond, everybody here.&#13;
&#13;
Was Ken coming on there?&#13;
&#13;
It was Ken, but she was familiar. Bedford. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
You were from bedsville. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
But after you came up here, you&#13;
&#13;
started spending time on her front porch. That's right.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
And near her meal, everybody else's.&#13;
&#13;
Now, here's one other thing.&#13;
&#13;
He gets confused about a high&#13;
&#13;
stepper going to get into that.&#13;
&#13;
Because look, back in them days, when you hire&#13;
&#13;
stepper now, you believe that you was something else.&#13;
&#13;
In other words, you asked the man you as a flirtation.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I was a flirter.&#13;
&#13;
And I got whatever I want.&#13;
&#13;
Is that you?&#13;
&#13;
I think I understand what you're trying to say. Yes.&#13;
&#13;
Like a prostitute or something like that. Oh, no.&#13;
&#13;
When you talk about how you can flirt without that's.&#13;
&#13;
Right.&#13;
&#13;
Well, I wasn't a Freuder.&#13;
&#13;
I didn't froze after nobody.&#13;
&#13;
They wanted after me.&#13;
&#13;
I would shop every time you see me.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, she was respectable. All right. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
I got that all straightened now out&#13;
&#13;
about the high stuff and all that.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, I don't mean now.&#13;
&#13;
You know better than that.&#13;
&#13;
I understand what he said.&#13;
&#13;
He just didn't want me to get the wrong impression.&#13;
&#13;
Because you knew how to get the boys if you wanted.&#13;
&#13;
No, but I didn't have this.&#13;
&#13;
And I just kind of shot all the time.&#13;
&#13;
Well, it sounds like he had an eye&#13;
&#13;
for somebody that was kind of sharp.&#13;
&#13;
It was a meeting of the mine, I guess I was.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
That dress was really nice.&#13;
&#13;
That's the first dirty day, wouldn't it?&#13;
&#13;
The first every day.&#13;
&#13;
I picked up the next year after we were married then.&#13;
&#13;
But that's like 74, 75.&#13;
&#13;
How old was she?&#13;
&#13;
Was she the same age as you?&#13;
&#13;
No, she's about 19 years old when you were 21.&#13;
&#13;
Two years younger.&#13;
&#13;
And her name was Kendall. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And she went to Bedford High School.&#13;
&#13;
So when she graduated, that was at about the same time.&#13;
&#13;
So the thing that made you leave and&#13;
&#13;
decide to get married is when you got&#13;
&#13;
that new Pentagon did not accept that's. Right? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
What was your reaction then when that happened?&#13;
&#13;
Didn't even give you a chance.&#13;
&#13;
He told me.&#13;
&#13;
He said, look, you can have all your clothes&#13;
&#13;
and the issue of clothes for a long time.&#13;
&#13;
I work all the girls.&#13;
&#13;
When you were working out there?&#13;
&#13;
No, when I was working.&#13;
&#13;
When I was at Crane.&#13;
&#13;
Why was that Crane as soon as I left Crane, I&#13;
&#13;
left Crane and there was a little girl out there now&#13;
&#13;
that she's in the family now, in the swarm family.&#13;
&#13;
But she helped me and she said no.&#13;
&#13;
So I said, no.&#13;
&#13;
I'm going to have to live with.&#13;
&#13;
I'm going to have to live with.&#13;
&#13;
So I went on it for Chicago.&#13;
&#13;
I went to Chicago and then I&#13;
&#13;
wrote, she got the next train out.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, my God.&#13;
&#13;
We got married in Chicago.&#13;
&#13;
Where did you live in Chicago?&#13;
&#13;
I couldn't tell you.&#13;
&#13;
I think it's all this tore down.&#13;
&#13;
I think these apartments and things are all tore down.&#13;
&#13;
That's been a long time.&#13;
&#13;
Horton came up.&#13;
&#13;
So you went up there first and did you get a job?&#13;
&#13;
I didn't get no job.&#13;
&#13;
I went to get a job, but something told me&#13;
&#13;
and said, hey, look here, you're a big feeling.&#13;
&#13;
A big what big feeling is little Camel's mother.&#13;
&#13;
She said, you mean you come to Chicago and&#13;
&#13;
you get a lot of jobs in Chicago?&#13;
&#13;
I said I had my mind going to Philadelphia.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
So when I left there down to train&#13;
&#13;
station, I told her then, all right, it&#13;
&#13;
will be Detroit first and then Philadelphia.&#13;
&#13;
So I figured I'll go on.&#13;
&#13;
I said, I'll think about the Ford plan in Detroit.&#13;
&#13;
I think about the Ford plant in Detroit.&#13;
&#13;
So I cut out.&#13;
&#13;
I got there and I got out there to River Rouge.&#13;
&#13;
I went out to River Rouge and might be a week or two.&#13;
&#13;
And so it raining and bad.&#13;
&#13;
I didn't have necessary clothes&#13;
&#13;
where places were condominium.&#13;
&#13;
But a lot of people around here&#13;
&#13;
did go to Detroit because Mr.&#13;
&#13;
Jackson, did you know Cordell Johnson?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I believe she spent some time in Detroit.&#13;
&#13;
A lot of people went up there for jobs. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Only a lot of people you knew, didn't they?&#13;
&#13;
No, they probably had them.&#13;
&#13;
Probably had them in Indianapolis, but in the small town owned,&#13;
&#13;
they went off looking for a big city to work.&#13;
&#13;
But anyway.&#13;
&#13;
So then you didn't stay in Detroit.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Made so much money, didn't know what to do&#13;
&#13;
with I think it was 80 Continental Motor.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, Detroit. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And then I had so much money, I didn't know what to&#13;
&#13;
do with her mom about how sick she was and everything.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, she's in Chicago, but she&#13;
&#13;
decided, oh, wait a minute.&#13;
&#13;
And she comes to Detroit and she's sick&#13;
&#13;
and she got sickness and kidneys failed her.&#13;
&#13;
So I ended up and I sent her back home and then&#13;
&#13;
Monroe took me and said she said, why don't you come home?&#13;
&#13;
I looked up there and it raced right there in Troy.&#13;
&#13;
So the man is so easy.&#13;
&#13;
You can stay here long.&#13;
&#13;
You can stay in here as long as you want to.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
So I stayed for fun.&#13;
&#13;
Is that the preacher in Portugal? Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Well, he was a Beaver preacher.&#13;
&#13;
I remember hearing you talk about it.&#13;
&#13;
That's the reason I know what you were talking about.&#13;
&#13;
He let you have his room or something? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
So anyway, they had a race ride, and&#13;
&#13;
it was a terrible thing in Detroit.&#13;
&#13;
Was it in World War II?&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
During World War II.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, it was in World War II, like 42 or 43 years.&#13;
&#13;
So we had a race right there.&#13;
&#13;
Were you with it?&#13;
&#13;
Well, every time I looked up, the police was.&#13;
&#13;
I got on a street car.&#13;
&#13;
Hold it right there.&#13;
&#13;
Wait a minute.&#13;
&#13;
Down here.&#13;
&#13;
Up there.&#13;
&#13;
They're supposed to be in service,&#13;
&#13;
but I wasn't in service.&#13;
&#13;
A doctor here gave me authorities.&#13;
&#13;
They sent me down to Louisville and&#13;
&#13;
gave me authority on the four F.&#13;
&#13;
So I went to Detroit.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
So then you went back.&#13;
&#13;
Then you went to Detroit because you have&#13;
&#13;
here they are patting on my checking boots&#13;
&#13;
and everything to see if tonight.&#13;
&#13;
Why aren't you in the service?&#13;
&#13;
Are you getting smart with the officer?&#13;
&#13;
No, I'm not getting smart with you.&#13;
&#13;
Where it has it down here.&#13;
&#13;
You check in the courthouse and they'll tell you.&#13;
&#13;
So you should know he's going to be on our paper.&#13;
&#13;
He ain't going to be in Detroit.&#13;
&#13;
He's going to be on our payroll down here.&#13;
&#13;
You mean they wouldn't have your record up there?&#13;
&#13;
No.&#13;
&#13;
Then they put the record.&#13;
&#13;
They send the record up there.&#13;
&#13;
When they send the record up there, why is he in there?&#13;
&#13;
So, hey, I went down there to where you had there.&#13;
&#13;
Selective Service? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Went down there and they hadn't me.&#13;
&#13;
Basketball court, night and knees all swell.&#13;
&#13;
They're trying to find out if&#13;
&#13;
he's a sleepwalker at home.&#13;
&#13;
My dad.&#13;
&#13;
Well, anyway.&#13;
&#13;
But you were.&#13;
&#13;
I was a sleepoff here.&#13;
&#13;
He mentioned a sleepoff.&#13;
&#13;
Well, you should understood me. Yeah. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
Anyway, I don't know.&#13;
&#13;
So they were testing you?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, they tested me.&#13;
&#13;
And see what my parole board.&#13;
&#13;
What kind of board you go.&#13;
&#13;
Well, anyway, where it is, it was&#13;
&#13;
down here and they said no.&#13;
&#13;
We got him listed down here for what you call it.&#13;
&#13;
Then when his time is up for his&#13;
&#13;
for ETSA, then we'll check him back in.&#13;
&#13;
When that time comes, then we'll&#13;
&#13;
decide to send him down there.&#13;
&#13;
I don't know what you call it. I don't know.&#13;
&#13;
Training or something.&#13;
&#13;
Well, my goodness, that's quite a rigmarole.&#13;
&#13;
When you were here, you've gone down to Lewis.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
You were a sleepwalker. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And did your father come down there and testify?&#13;
&#13;
How did they find out you were a Sleepwalker?&#13;
&#13;
I didn't want to be in the Walker.&#13;
&#13;
Everybody did.&#13;
&#13;
Now, black people or everybody.&#13;
&#13;
He's a preacher trying to get out of that, too.&#13;
&#13;
My dad got out of it.&#13;
&#13;
Some people.&#13;
&#13;
Well, see, he wanted to be a Marine.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah, I wanted to be a Marine. That was different.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And so when they want be a marine here, brand.&#13;
&#13;
No, we haven't any place for Negroes at this time.&#13;
&#13;
At this time.&#13;
&#13;
And so then he said.&#13;
&#13;
Look, he had this top Sergeant down the crane.&#13;
&#13;
He said, Mr Clinton, you have all the issue close.&#13;
&#13;
You can keep all them if you want to.&#13;
&#13;
So he's already given them to you.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah, he's already given to me.&#13;
&#13;
They had me in training down.&#13;
&#13;
[Tape 1, Side B ends]&#13;
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[Tape 2, Side A begins]&#13;
&#13;
335.&#13;
&#13;
He thought it was okay. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And we go to Church and I'll mention to&#13;
&#13;
them then and I told him, hey, I had&#13;
&#13;
to issue a clothes and everything down Crane.&#13;
&#13;
And they said, hey, no Negroes in the Wrinkles.&#13;
&#13;
They had to have a separate quarter.&#13;
&#13;
And then, I don't know, somebody asked&#13;
&#13;
for separate orders for the Negro.&#13;
&#13;
Well, this man at Crane that had invited you&#13;
&#13;
to do it and had you signed up and&#13;
&#13;
everything, did he ever make any kind of apology?&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah, I see him every day. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
I'm going to get ready to get married&#13;
&#13;
and I'm going to go to Chicago anyway.&#13;
&#13;
I see so many big buildings.&#13;
&#13;
So you went there first?&#13;
&#13;
No, I went to Detroit.&#13;
&#13;
Detroit.&#13;
&#13;
And then no, Chicago go and then&#13;
&#13;
Detroit next far as I ever got.&#13;
&#13;
Then I had come back home.&#13;
&#13;
Come back home, started that car wash.&#13;
&#13;
And that came after your first WiFi.&#13;
&#13;
Is that why you came back here?&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
Was that after the war, when you&#13;
&#13;
came back here when she died?&#13;
&#13;
She died in 69.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, she died in 69.&#13;
&#13;
So were you in Detroit for all that time?&#13;
&#13;
Oh, no, I come back here, we play card for them.&#13;
&#13;
You look at me.&#13;
&#13;
I wasn't there.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
There is a race riot in Detroit.&#13;
&#13;
I wonder if that was after the war.&#13;
&#13;
Was your wife with you when that happened? Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Your first wife, was she there with you? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And when you were getting patted down?&#13;
&#13;
No, but that must have been during&#13;
&#13;
the war because you said that. Yeah. Why?&#13;
&#13;
You weren't enlisted.&#13;
&#13;
So first you had tried to enlist, not rejected.&#13;
&#13;
Then next thing you got the four F.&#13;
&#13;
But that wasn't for the Marines.&#13;
&#13;
That was just for that.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, it was for the military, the whole work.&#13;
&#13;
So did that happen before you went up to Chicago?&#13;
&#13;
I was down here.&#13;
&#13;
That's where they had me crawling up down there, too.&#13;
&#13;
Then later on I got in Detroit&#13;
&#13;
and they had me calling again.&#13;
&#13;
Was that to test it?&#13;
&#13;
I don't know how.&#13;
&#13;
Well.&#13;
&#13;
So the years you are working for Continental,&#13;
&#13;
how long did you work for them?&#13;
&#13;
I think I was there when my wife had got sick.&#13;
&#13;
I come home three years.&#13;
&#13;
Less than three years.&#13;
&#13;
But I had the money.&#13;
&#13;
That was in the 40s.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And later on with everybody great big money.&#13;
&#13;
And at that time I would eat.&#13;
&#13;
That was big money.&#13;
&#13;
What happened?&#13;
&#13;
That was the late 40s.&#13;
&#13;
Something happened during the 1950s and the 1960s.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, I've been here.&#13;
&#13;
But your wife didn't die until 1969.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, 69. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
So you came down here and then&#13;
&#13;
she didn't die for a long time.&#13;
&#13;
That's right. Okay. I see.&#13;
&#13;
I thought you came when she was about to die when Dr.&#13;
&#13;
Joe diagnosed her for kidney.&#13;
&#13;
And then she went down there to&#13;
&#13;
New Albany and went to New Albany.&#13;
&#13;
Well, I think she had cancer.&#13;
&#13;
I think that was the main thing.&#13;
&#13;
That cancer had eaten her kidneys up.&#13;
&#13;
She had one kidney good.&#13;
&#13;
And the other one is just about either.&#13;
&#13;
So we went down there at that long&#13;
&#13;
Jeffersonville up on that Hill up there.&#13;
&#13;
And that was cancer.&#13;
&#13;
I'm pretty sure that was cancer.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
She started getting well, you might get home.&#13;
&#13;
She started getting well.&#13;
&#13;
When she started getting well, she started.&#13;
&#13;
She started out skinny, but she was.&#13;
&#13;
Why is that?&#13;
&#13;
She was swallowing that they come overcoming.&#13;
&#13;
My mom carried us out and she was man her fingernail.&#13;
&#13;
The blood was just running out&#13;
&#13;
over because her kidneys weren't working.&#13;
&#13;
But anyway, so much for that.&#13;
&#13;
This is a terrible thing.&#13;
&#13;
I wonder if nowadays they know enough.&#13;
&#13;
They know how to take off.&#13;
&#13;
They didn't know about cancer.&#13;
&#13;
They don't learn so much now.&#13;
&#13;
It will almost make you hurt.&#13;
&#13;
That's the truth.&#13;
&#13;
I've heard that story.&#13;
&#13;
I didn't know her, but it just seemed like I know her.&#13;
&#13;
And what I can find out, she and I were somewhat alive.&#13;
&#13;
All right, I believe.&#13;
&#13;
How are you?&#13;
&#13;
Something about it I didn't know of, but him talking.&#13;
&#13;
I know, but you're talking about&#13;
&#13;
the unity tools and everything.&#13;
&#13;
You mean she didn't fly cars?&#13;
&#13;
So she was married?&#13;
&#13;
No.&#13;
&#13;
She was clean living.&#13;
&#13;
But her mother, she never was going to Church.&#13;
&#13;
She didn't go to Church.&#13;
&#13;
And her mother always wanted to get to Church.&#13;
&#13;
She lived right here by the Church,&#13;
&#13;
but she wanted to go to Church.&#13;
&#13;
But she went down at the Derby, though.&#13;
&#13;
That's right.&#13;
&#13;
She always went to Derby.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Then I premiered.&#13;
&#13;
Started going to Derby, too.&#13;
&#13;
So we started going to Derby.&#13;
&#13;
I've been to the races once in Lexington.&#13;
&#13;
Like Kingland beautiful, but you can smile.&#13;
&#13;
We didn't miss them.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah, we didn't miss them.&#13;
&#13;
And my other husband, we were on the front of the heat.&#13;
&#13;
We had a charge seat.&#13;
&#13;
Right.&#13;
&#13;
He was cutting of sporty. Kind of.&#13;
&#13;
What sporty?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that was Smith.&#13;
&#13;
His name was Albert Smith.&#13;
&#13;
Well, that's it's. Interesting.&#13;
&#13;
So you both had it in common that&#13;
&#13;
you were used to going down there.&#13;
&#13;
Now we went and had a seat.&#13;
&#13;
It didn't set out in the field yet.&#13;
&#13;
He couldn't pay rent.&#13;
&#13;
He'd do what he wanted to do.&#13;
&#13;
All he was a don't care kind of person.&#13;
&#13;
Don't do anything if you want to do something.&#13;
&#13;
And maybe to pay the rent.&#13;
&#13;
Well, the rent could wait.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
But I tell you, you had a&#13;
&#13;
heart of gold do anything for you.&#13;
&#13;
But him and money didn't like one another.&#13;
&#13;
Known about Bedford.&#13;
&#13;
How did you find him?&#13;
&#13;
How did you guys get together if he was down there?&#13;
&#13;
What's the big place in Indianapolis?&#13;
&#13;
The ballroom? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
He's always in the boat.&#13;
&#13;
He was a high captain.&#13;
&#13;
Big hotel.&#13;
&#13;
He was a cat.&#13;
&#13;
He was a cat.&#13;
&#13;
The Dome yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
Was this in the 40s?&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, my gosh.&#13;
&#13;
He was in charge.&#13;
&#13;
How did you pick something?&#13;
&#13;
How did you meet him?&#13;
&#13;
No, you met me at will.&#13;
&#13;
But the thing about it is, look, hey, he&#13;
&#13;
had that money, and she said she's high stepper. I was.&#13;
&#13;
I got anything I want.&#13;
&#13;
Just like when I met him.&#13;
&#13;
Just like when I met him.&#13;
&#13;
Did you give me what I wanted? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
You tell me.&#13;
&#13;
I wasn't shopping.&#13;
&#13;
I have to get shot because I was shot.&#13;
&#13;
And Smith spent that money on you.&#13;
&#13;
He was spending yours.&#13;
&#13;
Maybe it was a package.&#13;
&#13;
He sounded like he was.&#13;
&#13;
He's he had a good heart in it.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, he really had a good heart in him.&#13;
&#13;
I used to have his picture where I could&#13;
&#13;
show you, but I had it to his cousin.&#13;
&#13;
His cousin lives in Lourbore, and I&#13;
&#13;
thought maybe they might appreciate it.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
I guess you kept a copy of.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, he was a sharp man.&#13;
&#13;
Shit.&#13;
&#13;
Did he go man?&#13;
&#13;
He was a what?&#13;
&#13;
Figurman.&#13;
&#13;
Figurman.&#13;
&#13;
Allen Figurs on it.&#13;
&#13;
But having money up, he couldn't keep a hold of money.&#13;
&#13;
No, he couldn't help.&#13;
&#13;
No, he didn't pay money.&#13;
&#13;
Money was for spending.&#13;
&#13;
But you got to be a good one to&#13;
&#13;
really hold that stuff, you know, that to keep&#13;
&#13;
money, you got to really handle it.&#13;
&#13;
You got to really know what to do.&#13;
&#13;
You are.&#13;
&#13;
I'm the one that handles the money with him.&#13;
&#13;
The money got so big, he put that in.&#13;
&#13;
You can buy so much.&#13;
&#13;
The bonds paid off pretty good for a long time.&#13;
&#13;
They bond to pay off for you.&#13;
&#13;
Is this after one time?&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
You know, they were required to buy so&#13;
&#13;
many other bonds, they take it out of&#13;
&#13;
your payroll, and I've never seen it.&#13;
&#13;
Well, Mr.&#13;
&#13;
Smith, did he die?&#13;
&#13;
When did he die?&#13;
&#13;
He died.&#13;
&#13;
Remember that?&#13;
&#13;
He died under the bath, too.&#13;
&#13;
He died and he was scrambling around on&#13;
&#13;
the floor and got hung under the bath.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, my God.&#13;
&#13;
You know what I have had you know,&#13;
&#13;
I just thank God for your goodness, because&#13;
&#13;
he sure have brought me a long way.&#13;
&#13;
He had brought me a long way? Yes. Poor Smithy.&#13;
&#13;
He got hung under that basket and couldn't get out.&#13;
&#13;
It was like setting up on legs.&#13;
&#13;
And he was sick.&#13;
&#13;
And he was on the floor. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
What was he sick?&#13;
&#13;
He had an attack. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
In his own mind, he probably was trying to get to&#13;
&#13;
the toe, come up and bump his head against that too.&#13;
&#13;
30 something years.&#13;
&#13;
How long was it after your husband died?&#13;
&#13;
No, it might have been maybe a year.&#13;
&#13;
You've been single for a longer time, but&#13;
&#13;
you've been running around with this bad business.&#13;
&#13;
I like it.&#13;
&#13;
The bad business. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
That sounds pretty right.&#13;
&#13;
But you must have been going through a hard time.&#13;
&#13;
I figure you are going through a hard time.&#13;
&#13;
You mean Evelyn?&#13;
&#13;
No, you after your wife.&#13;
&#13;
Well, you see, the only thing about it. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
I don't know where you know anything about it.&#13;
&#13;
That main affair has all control.&#13;
&#13;
No, this is his word.&#13;
&#13;
We just have a few days here in it.&#13;
&#13;
But the world belongs to him.&#13;
&#13;
And we think that this is our world.&#13;
&#13;
Just ain't our world.&#13;
&#13;
The Lord just gives us a short time in it.&#13;
&#13;
Do you realize that?&#13;
&#13;
It's up to him, okay?&#13;
&#13;
That's right.&#13;
&#13;
He is a reason for it all.&#13;
&#13;
And I tell you, I don't think I would&#13;
&#13;
have come as far as I have come.&#13;
&#13;
If I hadn't had it.&#13;
&#13;
I couldn't have made it.&#13;
&#13;
I could not have made it.&#13;
&#13;
You had whole different parts of your life.&#13;
&#13;
Such.&#13;
&#13;
Your life has so many different stages.&#13;
&#13;
I have had it.&#13;
&#13;
You never could have seen how things would have gone.&#13;
&#13;
I could have made it.&#13;
&#13;
She had beer.&#13;
&#13;
All her people. Yes.&#13;
&#13;
I was one left to take care of all of everybody.&#13;
&#13;
Look up for it and catching&#13;
&#13;
insurance policies and everything else.&#13;
&#13;
See, there's my aunt up there.&#13;
&#13;
All I got to do is look at my forehead.&#13;
&#13;
But anyway, he has brought me this for.&#13;
&#13;
And I don't think he's going to leave me now.&#13;
&#13;
I don't think he's going to leave me now.&#13;
&#13;
Can't get away from the Canon at forehead.&#13;
&#13;
We got them forehead.&#13;
&#13;
I'm just writing down when you make a little movement.&#13;
&#13;
Because that won't be on paper.&#13;
&#13;
I got to write that part down.&#13;
&#13;
I don't know, but I don't think&#13;
&#13;
I should stay too much longer now.&#13;
&#13;
You know how she is a sure hand expert.&#13;
&#13;
She has to be.&#13;
&#13;
That's because when you jump in and&#13;
&#13;
this thing blocked out this year. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
I was going to tell you the last time&#13;
&#13;
when I did that without taking any notes.&#13;
&#13;
And then when I got home, I had nothing to look at.&#13;
&#13;
It's like all I could do to figure, remember what&#13;
&#13;
we said is I had to listen to all that.&#13;
&#13;
It's a lot easier to just look at&#13;
&#13;
your notes written down on a page.&#13;
&#13;
But it works.&#13;
&#13;
I got to take notes, but&#13;
&#13;
then also use the paper corner.&#13;
&#13;
And then I get all the details on the paper corner.&#13;
&#13;
That just kind of make a list of the general topics.&#13;
&#13;
And when you make some little thing with your hand&#13;
&#13;
or what do you did that like with Smith.&#13;
&#13;
I got to write that down.&#13;
&#13;
We've come a long way.&#13;
&#13;
Yes.&#13;
&#13;
And that's yours.&#13;
&#13;
And here's something else, too.&#13;
&#13;
Now, sweetie.&#13;
&#13;
Was an elk.&#13;
&#13;
Did you know him? Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
You know him before he died? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
So you know Mr. Cleveland?&#13;
&#13;
No.&#13;
&#13;
She didn't know me for Smith.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
I thought he was on the books.&#13;
&#13;
He didn't have a John L.&#13;
&#13;
Okay. All right.&#13;
&#13;
You didn't put that down there, did you?&#13;
&#13;
No, but it'll be on there.&#13;
&#13;
But it'll get straight.&#13;
&#13;
But you knew him anyway.&#13;
&#13;
Even though he was amazing,&#13;
&#13;
Lodges must have got together.&#13;
&#13;
Well, when you came back from Detroit and that's&#13;
&#13;
when you said you started doing the car wash.&#13;
&#13;
What happened after you got going on&#13;
&#13;
the car wash was that investment? Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
So you just bought this property?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, let me see.&#13;
&#13;
There was a couple who live here&#13;
&#13;
and they got bowled up somewhere.&#13;
&#13;
The woman killed a man.&#13;
&#13;
The woman killed a man and his&#13;
&#13;
name was reek moved in his house.&#13;
&#13;
And then they let that go in on the taxes.&#13;
&#13;
My mother in law told me, she said, why don't&#13;
&#13;
you buy it that little place over there and everything.&#13;
&#13;
And she's grabbing for property.&#13;
&#13;
Grabbing for what? Property?&#13;
&#13;
So I'll come on here and I went down at&#13;
&#13;
the courthouse and I worked a lot for $25.&#13;
&#13;
All the foundation was on we're.&#13;
&#13;
[Tape 2, Side A ends]&#13;
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[Tape  2, Side B begins]&#13;
&#13;
&#13;
&#13;
[Tape 2, Side B ends]&#13;
&#13;
[Tape  3, Side A begins]&#13;
&#13;
430 days I ain't got nowhere to go but in the&#13;
&#13;
kitchen well that's important because it's almost 05:00 yeah but getting&#13;
&#13;
some checks yeah no we got some food out there she&#13;
&#13;
told me you made some fries honey you can't beat it&#13;
&#13;
you just can't beat it together no way no perfect match&#13;
&#13;
but I just got enough garden to meet that I can&#13;
&#13;
meet anything he come up with no matter what he come&#13;
&#13;
up with I'm ready for it yeah well that's what makes&#13;
&#13;
it just adding my buddy over there I'm going to take&#13;
&#13;
that thing you don't put it in the direct sunlight well&#13;
&#13;
I think it could be good to get some direct sunlight&#13;
&#13;
sun to part shade sun to part shade but do whatever&#13;
&#13;
you want to do with it you said to now I&#13;
&#13;
hope it'll just Bloom a little bit more than just this&#13;
&#13;
one flower oh yeah I'm going to take off this because&#13;
&#13;
it's been a long time but I just want to clarify&#13;
&#13;
that last thing about the ambulance that happened the problem with&#13;
&#13;
the three people dying by the bulldozer and you being on&#13;
&#13;
the scene that happened after you've gotten rejected from enlisting in&#13;
&#13;
the Marines but not very long after that no it wasn't&#13;
&#13;
very long after that and you decided time to leave yeah&#13;
&#13;
but then at that point you are feeling pretty hurt and&#13;
&#13;
angry at the way you've been treated but when you came&#13;
&#13;
back from Detroit and you started speedy and you got in&#13;
&#13;
the Chamber of Commerce and you got to be a respected&#13;
&#13;
member of the community it just seems like kind of came&#13;
&#13;
full circle or something maybe you see what I'm trying to&#13;
&#13;
say that maybe at the beginning that times changed during that&#13;
&#13;
time and you did get some you got to be a&#13;
&#13;
respected member of the community but really even when the thing&#13;
&#13;
happened with the Marines that wasn't the local community no it&#13;
&#13;
wasn't the local community no was it?&#13;
&#13;
No it wasn't a local community that wasn't the local community&#13;
&#13;
and the man apologized you could tell that he felt bad&#13;
&#13;
about it yeah he wasn't a local man at that first&#13;
&#13;
Sergeant wherever he was down there but see he was locally&#13;
&#13;
down here I don't know where he was from he was&#13;
&#13;
a master Sergeant or something but he was under the Pentagon&#13;
&#13;
his instructions come from the Pentagon and he just didn't realize&#13;
&#13;
yeah he didn't set you up he made an honest mistake&#13;
&#13;
you're working here at the barracks and keeping their fires going&#13;
&#13;
and everything like I said I'm going make a trip around&#13;
&#13;
and keep the very expires going there and then come back&#13;
&#13;
here and then like I said early in the morning so&#13;
&#13;
then finally we get this thing all set up and he&#13;
&#13;
said hey you know what, you just keep fire going everywhere&#13;
&#13;
that's nice and you said I'm going practice Marine anyway, I'll&#13;
&#13;
laugh.&#13;
&#13;
And then later on, later on, he says, you know what?&#13;
&#13;
I talked to the boy.&#13;
&#13;
He might meet all the board&#13;
&#13;
lacks, everybody like you and everything.&#13;
&#13;
I'm going to see if I can get&#13;
&#13;
you into Marine corn clothes and everything.&#13;
&#13;
Helmet clothes and everything.&#13;
&#13;
Not no helmet.&#13;
&#13;
We had a little old oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
That little old up here.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I know.&#13;
&#13;
He told me there.&#13;
&#13;
He said two weeks ago around he throwed up one&#13;
&#13;
of the other sergeants, you go down and have time.&#13;
&#13;
So I thought, well, I thought he was going to tell&#13;
&#13;
me what instead of that, he said, hey, the Pentagon says&#13;
&#13;
we don't have any place for Negroes at the present.&#13;
&#13;
So he told me that.&#13;
&#13;
He said the reason why he said&#13;
&#13;
we had to have special quarters.&#13;
&#13;
Somebody kicked against the mix.&#13;
&#13;
What do you call it? Integration.&#13;
&#13;
Integration, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
In the armpit.&#13;
&#13;
And later on we got women and everything.&#13;
&#13;
But anyway, and I told him, sure, there's&#13;
&#13;
a lot of people down there now.&#13;
&#13;
A lot of men used to work&#13;
&#13;
Harold used to work down the crane.&#13;
&#13;
He worked down the crane and McKee.&#13;
&#13;
So when he told you that he called you and&#13;
&#13;
he told you that he told you in private?&#13;
&#13;
No, he told me he told me right&#13;
&#13;
there in front of everybody else's, standing straight.&#13;
&#13;
So he said, no Negroes in the Marine Corps.&#13;
&#13;
I could get in the truck every time I got into truck.&#13;
&#13;
Here comes that's, right.&#13;
&#13;
They were worse than hard.&#13;
&#13;
This is hard.&#13;
&#13;
He always showed that his rejection stood out the way&#13;
&#13;
he felt, the way he thought he felt about it.&#13;
&#13;
He showed it.&#13;
&#13;
That's good.&#13;
&#13;
You think it was good in one way and one&#13;
&#13;
way it was because they take what they want to&#13;
&#13;
take and left what they wanted to leave.&#13;
&#13;
Who took a left to him was&#13;
&#13;
giving him the police in Detroit.&#13;
&#13;
He resented you. Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Well, look, they just figured that, hey, no, 18.&#13;
&#13;
How old are you?&#13;
&#13;
18 years old.&#13;
&#13;
And I know you was a dude.&#13;
&#13;
That's all for race, right?&#13;
&#13;
Time comes.&#13;
&#13;
You weren't used to being treated that way, though.&#13;
&#13;
No, not down here. No.&#13;
&#13;
When you come in that door, you've seen them.&#13;
&#13;
Three people pictures on that wall.&#13;
&#13;
Three up. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Why did you tell me to go look at that?&#13;
&#13;
No, that's what made the change, right.&#13;
&#13;
When things started to change, not marked with&#13;
&#13;
the King, the other man, Jeff K and&#13;
&#13;
his brother, they started this thing.&#13;
&#13;
They started this thing rolling.&#13;
&#13;
And then here comes Martin Luther making his speeches.&#13;
&#13;
So I figured that all three of them more&#13;
&#13;
or less hooked again, me green blood about it.&#13;
&#13;
That was after this business in Detroit, right?&#13;
&#13;
That was after this business in&#13;
&#13;
Detroit with the race riots. Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
The race ride started before.&#13;
&#13;
After World War II.&#13;
&#13;
Well, during World War II, if&#13;
&#13;
they wanted you to enlist.&#13;
&#13;
It must have been during the war, probably.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, sure.&#13;
&#13;
And then they called up now call up&#13;
&#13;
who are taking care of the Selective Service.&#13;
&#13;
No, he's all right.&#13;
&#13;
They had you on record.&#13;
&#13;
That's part of it.&#13;
&#13;
How did you feel while that was going on?&#13;
&#13;
Well, I don't know.&#13;
&#13;
All these things, all this hollering and&#13;
&#13;
hooping, squealing, blah, blah, blah, blah.&#13;
&#13;
Over Mitchell.&#13;
&#13;
It's all started all started in middle school.&#13;
&#13;
All started in middle school.&#13;
&#13;
Now these kids, these boys, these&#13;
&#13;
boys are going to gang me.&#13;
&#13;
It all started right there.&#13;
&#13;
And I thought, wow, am I going&#13;
&#13;
to live with this all my life?&#13;
&#13;
Hey, I had to go to school.&#13;
&#13;
I had to go to school.&#13;
&#13;
And the Superintendent, the what's it called, two&#13;
&#13;
officers, they're making you go to school.&#13;
&#13;
You go to school, but your rights are&#13;
&#13;
being violated later on in your life, right?&#13;
&#13;
It's going to be violated now.&#13;
&#13;
So when later on I come down here,&#13;
&#13;
I said, hey, here comes a man.&#13;
&#13;
You say, hey, I can get you into the Marine Corps.&#13;
&#13;
He tried to get me in the Marine Corps.&#13;
&#13;
Then here comes the big man calling from the Benedict,&#13;
&#13;
hey, we have got no place for it because such&#13;
&#13;
a President said no mixture in the armed portion, right.&#13;
&#13;
It's the same deal, wasn't it?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, it's the same deal.&#13;
&#13;
And then they're going to turn around&#13;
&#13;
and say, we don't want you.&#13;
&#13;
And then they're going to turn around and make&#13;
&#13;
trouble because you're not enlisting after they rejected.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
So you saw a terrible hypocrisy, right?&#13;
&#13;
You know what I mean?&#13;
&#13;
Hypocrisy? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
I mean, if you could have&#13;
&#13;
turned into a very angry person. That's right.&#13;
&#13;
These black dudes running around here doing it.&#13;
&#13;
Everybody gets American people.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
You have good reason. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
I'm with Johnny's Boy here.&#13;
&#13;
Black Panther.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, but you didn't.&#13;
&#13;
I did because the banks started&#13;
&#13;
out, like I said, school there.&#13;
&#13;
And then, like I said, my dad might&#13;
&#13;
make me fight and then find out.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, okay.&#13;
&#13;
Well, that's not bad.&#13;
&#13;
That's about the neighborhood thing. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
I didn't think all the time.&#13;
&#13;
I said, well, maybe it'd be better off for&#13;
&#13;
me to run for me, so and so.&#13;
&#13;
But then dad was, hey, we&#13;
&#13;
didn't get no water last night.&#13;
&#13;
Hey, you go up there and get your water and water.&#13;
&#13;
That's what there's Negro.&#13;
&#13;
He told the doctor the story.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And then I told the doctor to&#13;
&#13;
pay the first doctor to come here.&#13;
&#13;
Right across from the Boys Club for&#13;
&#13;
me is the Boys Club, too?&#13;
&#13;
Right across from the Boys&#13;
&#13;
Club is hall, governing hall.&#13;
&#13;
And he's got a big building right there, not a brick.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
Here comes a man here and he&#13;
&#13;
tries to oh, he's a doctor.&#13;
&#13;
So he decided he's going to go to Bedford because&#13;
&#13;
there's a lot of people that need his service.&#13;
&#13;
Maybe in Bedford so he come and try what you call.&#13;
&#13;
So he asked, all right, bedroom space.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
Are you so and so?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I'm down in Bedford, so and so.&#13;
&#13;
But he said, I don't have too many customers.&#13;
&#13;
So when he comes, check her out.&#13;
&#13;
He decided, well, wait a minute.&#13;
&#13;
Maybe that's the reason.&#13;
&#13;
So he cut out.&#13;
&#13;
He cut out. Wait a minute.&#13;
&#13;
Before he cut out, he asked, oh, he's&#13;
&#13;
trying to buy my house and real estate.&#13;
&#13;
You buy the house? So and so.&#13;
&#13;
Hey, then if you buy there, then&#13;
&#13;
your patronization ain't going to be recognized.&#13;
&#13;
Your what?&#13;
&#13;
Your patronization ain't going to be recognized.&#13;
&#13;
He won't be able to make living.&#13;
&#13;
The doctor. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Was this doctor black?&#13;
&#13;
He left and went to Bloomington.&#13;
&#13;
Why does he have to leave?&#13;
&#13;
Well, at the business.&#13;
&#13;
Hey, you're after business and at the Chamber of Commerce&#13;
&#13;
and those there, if they going to pull you down.&#13;
&#13;
But, hey, you got a lien.&#13;
&#13;
Now, why did they pull him down?&#13;
&#13;
Was he Negro? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Now they accepted you because&#13;
&#13;
they had Negroes already there.&#13;
&#13;
So this lady, this doctor, is Negro.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I see.&#13;
&#13;
So he was her forerunner and&#13;
&#13;
he couldn't have a practice.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
She said, oh, is that right?&#13;
&#13;
I said, yes.&#13;
&#13;
Like I said, two or three of them.&#13;
&#13;
They may not be as dark as&#13;
&#13;
you, but they are black doctors.&#13;
&#13;
A forerunner going right there.&#13;
&#13;
So there was this hall before that.&#13;
&#13;
No, wait a minute.&#13;
&#13;
There's somebody else rented space at&#13;
&#13;
hall on this big building.&#13;
&#13;
Crossing Boys Club.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, he's the one that owns the building.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, but the doctor that rented&#13;
&#13;
the space rent the space.&#13;
&#13;
If you rent a place from a real estate person and&#13;
&#13;
what you call it, then we fail to patternize you right.&#13;
&#13;
So he gets all that congestion.&#13;
&#13;
So he says, I just go on&#13;
&#13;
Bluetooth and where everything's all right.&#13;
&#13;
And what was his name?&#13;
&#13;
I don't know.&#13;
&#13;
This was many years ago.&#13;
&#13;
No, not many years.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, probably.&#13;
&#13;
I think it's within the last seven years. A black box.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And he ended up somehow you've been able to.&#13;
&#13;
I don't know.&#13;
&#13;
Just because you were raised here.&#13;
&#13;
Well, somehow.&#13;
&#13;
Well, now then, I was born and&#13;
&#13;
raised on Grist Lavender, New, and just&#13;
&#13;
across Street, Bristol Avenue in Mitchell.&#13;
&#13;
And then I have the Rico it.&#13;
&#13;
And then a Charge Pilzer.&#13;
&#13;
He's an Italian.&#13;
&#13;
And he put me on his bus and gave me&#13;
&#13;
a free ride to factory that I come up in.&#13;
&#13;
I work for doctor buyers.&#13;
&#13;
And then later on, I decided, well,&#13;
&#13;
I'm going to go to train.&#13;
&#13;
And you could work for train as a civilian?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I could work for him as a civilian.&#13;
&#13;
But then when that time comes, later&#13;
&#13;
on the Marine Corps deal come.&#13;
&#13;
Well, then, hey, I told my wife I&#13;
&#13;
was standing out bars at that time.&#13;
&#13;
I said, Get your clothes together, because I'm going to&#13;
&#13;
marry you so and so and get your money.&#13;
&#13;
So I went down there and got what we&#13;
&#13;
call got the marriage license and I headed on&#13;
&#13;
to Chicago and then she come on to Chicago&#13;
&#13;
with me and we got married right by yourselves.&#13;
&#13;
Were you the only two at the ceremony was&#13;
&#13;
it in a Church or no justice of peace?&#13;
&#13;
Don't look at me.&#13;
&#13;
No, wait a minute.&#13;
&#13;
I believe it's a justice of peace in Chicago. No. Here.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, here.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, you got married here.&#13;
&#13;
You got married license here.&#13;
&#13;
But I got married in Chicago.&#13;
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At Church? No.&#13;
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At her aunt's house.&#13;
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At Tony's mother's house.&#13;
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Oh, boy, I'm sweating now. Yeah.&#13;
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All right.&#13;
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You told me you wonder why I told&#13;
&#13;
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I know you didn't see them&#13;
&#13;
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I have seen them.&#13;
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I just couldn't remember.&#13;
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I have seen it and they are starting it.&#13;
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&#13;
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After Kennedy.&#13;
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His brother.&#13;
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That happened about the same time. Yeah.&#13;
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68 yeah.&#13;
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So he got killed before White Lucra, didn't he?&#13;
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No.&#13;
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The main one.&#13;
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Come now.&#13;
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What's going to happen there?&#13;
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That was a time.&#13;
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That was a time.&#13;
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That was a time.&#13;
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The clock stopped.&#13;
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The registers off.&#13;
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&#13;
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That was so sad. Yes.&#13;
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I was blood.&#13;
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Were you glad no.&#13;
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[Tape 3, Side A ends]&#13;
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[Tape 3, Side B begins]&#13;
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Everything just stopped.&#13;
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It looks like everybody just froze.&#13;
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Why?&#13;
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He has so much power.&#13;
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He's not been sharp.&#13;
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I leave him out.&#13;
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It was a different time.&#13;
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Heckle, I don't know.&#13;
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Wait a minute.&#13;
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Give me all three of them.&#13;
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Wait a minute.&#13;
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Truman.&#13;
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Truman.&#13;
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You got to get rid of him.&#13;
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See, now, you don't mean JFK Hoover. No.&#13;
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Jeff Kenneth.&#13;
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Johnson.&#13;
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Yeah.&#13;
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Now then, you see, look, like you said.&#13;
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What is his wife's name?&#13;
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I got to head to Washington before he got killed.&#13;
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All of them.&#13;
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He's going to do the same.&#13;
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Hey, we got to get rid.&#13;
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Yeah.&#13;
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Jackson, you don't need any blankets.&#13;
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Okay, I'm turning this off now.&#13;
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picture on the Bobby Kennedy, Dr.&#13;
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King and JFK picture.&#13;
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&#13;
Let's talk a little bit.&#13;
&#13;
Here we are on Monday, I mean.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Monday, March 8, 2004, at Mr. William Levi Clemens house and his wife, Miss Ethel Clemens, about 3:30. And we're in Bedford, Indiana.&#13;
&#13;
Run them good.&#13;
&#13;
I might just try one thing here.&#13;
&#13;
I can pull that curtain back.&#13;
&#13;
I see there's no reason for anybody to be nasty and smelling bad because we got everything to use. And some old folks, you just sometimes wonder what really make them tick. They just don't care. Now, I know you met some of them.&#13;
&#13;
I have no pleasure in life that's bad.&#13;
&#13;
Is that what you mean, no pleasure? That's right.&#13;
&#13;
They don't take care of themselves.&#13;
&#13;
That ain't me lost use me.&#13;
&#13;
Let me do the good thing that you have me to do.&#13;
&#13;
And I know whatever they are, they're going to be&#13;
&#13;
good things if you leave it in his hand because&#13;
&#13;
I don't think he does anything that isn't good.&#13;
&#13;
I got that much confidence and faith.&#13;
&#13;
Well, when you were going through that&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
going through that operation and all that.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, it was a funny thing out&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
The doctor said.&#13;
&#13;
I know.&#13;
&#13;
That's what he told us.&#13;
&#13;
He said, she's praying.&#13;
&#13;
Now, have you called your friends and your&#13;
&#13;
relatives and told everybody that everything's okay?&#13;
&#13;
I couldn't because give me that yet.&#13;
&#13;
No.&#13;
&#13;
Doctor Walker? No.&#13;
&#13;
There are some of your relatives checking in&#13;
&#13;
and everybody's wanting to know what's wrong.&#13;
&#13;
What's wrong?&#13;
&#13;
He has some more work for me to do and whatever it is,&#13;
&#13;
I'll be able to do it because he's going to go with me.&#13;
&#13;
That reminds me of that song.&#13;
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He's going to go with me, honey.&#13;
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So you all went around visiting nursing homes, did you?&#13;
&#13;
You went and visited the nursing home? Oh, yes.&#13;
&#13;
Thank for the people you did.&#13;
&#13;
That was yesterday.&#13;
&#13;
Did you have your voice? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Yes, we did.&#13;
&#13;
Have a good time.&#13;
&#13;
What you think?&#13;
&#13;
Jesus, Keep Me Near the Cross is my main song.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I know you have heard&#13;
&#13;
that mean, is there a philosophy?&#13;
&#13;
I think.&#13;
&#13;
Is that your house? Absolutely.&#13;
&#13;
Yes.&#13;
&#13;
No, I tell you, I still don't want&#13;
&#13;
to go to that place called Hell.&#13;
&#13;
It ain't too good down there.&#13;
&#13;
I think if you showed up, they'd kick you out.&#13;
&#13;
So you don't think they'd want me?&#13;
&#13;
We don't want her around here.&#13;
&#13;
She's going to persuade people to go wrong with it.&#13;
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Yes, you're right, honey.&#13;
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I know they laugh at me.&#13;
&#13;
I just speak to truth.&#13;
&#13;
Troops is a life.&#13;
&#13;
So for you, your face is your way of life. Yes.&#13;
&#13;
I tell you, honey, every day. Yes.&#13;
&#13;
Anybody who knows, you know.&#13;
&#13;
Yes, I try to do good.&#13;
&#13;
Anything that I can do.&#13;
&#13;
But you're smart too.&#13;
&#13;
You watch and you listen.&#13;
&#13;
My grandma said if you learn, if&#13;
&#13;
you listen, you learn a whole lot.&#13;
&#13;
Do you know she spoke to two older&#13;
&#13;
people you looked at, but they didn't know.&#13;
&#13;
But Honda, they knew a lot.&#13;
&#13;
They knew a lot.&#13;
&#13;
They just didn't always talk about it. That's right.&#13;
&#13;
But they show me a lot.&#13;
&#13;
Now go ahead.&#13;
&#13;
Did she have any schooling?&#13;
&#13;
Could she read?&#13;
&#13;
Well, not a whole lot.&#13;
&#13;
But you know what?&#13;
&#13;
It's the way that she spells.&#13;
&#13;
She could spell anything behind.&#13;
&#13;
She could spell it in the&#13;
&#13;
grandma because she couldn't spell it.&#13;
&#13;
She must have had some schooling from somewhere.&#13;
&#13;
Well, yeah, but what I thought she didn't&#13;
&#13;
know high school and stuff like that.&#13;
&#13;
Just plain old common sense, more or less.&#13;
&#13;
With that lady, she used them hyphens and&#13;
&#13;
she could spell anything hyphens but between two&#13;
&#13;
words, but nothing that she couldn't spell.&#13;
&#13;
You know, when she made quote, did she&#13;
&#13;
ever put any words on them or any&#13;
&#13;
letters on them or write anything on them?&#13;
&#13;
You don't have any memory of that, do you?&#13;
&#13;
Because sometimes people would sign like a special call, they&#13;
&#13;
put the date on it or something like that.&#13;
&#13;
That was a mistake that a lot of&#13;
&#13;
me didn't put too much down and stuff.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Be nice nowadays.&#13;
&#13;
It would be nice if they had.&#13;
&#13;
Yes, they had.&#13;
&#13;
But back then, not really thinking about it.&#13;
&#13;
That's right.&#13;
&#13;
It really was.&#13;
&#13;
Well, after she had her leg&#13;
&#13;
amputated, did she live much longer?&#13;
&#13;
You know, me and my grandmother, after she had&#13;
&#13;
that leg agitated, I kept her to see her&#13;
&#13;
sister in West Virginia on the train.&#13;
&#13;
How did she walk?&#13;
&#13;
Real quick.&#13;
&#13;
So her other life was good.&#13;
&#13;
She just go back and forth with the crutch.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, my goodness.&#13;
&#13;
I didn't know that I would be the one.&#13;
&#13;
But do you know how they hit it's? Take care.&#13;
&#13;
I need to take care of my&#13;
&#13;
uncle and see them beard and everything.&#13;
&#13;
They got the casket, right?&#13;
&#13;
Take care of all that business. That's right.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, boy.&#13;
&#13;
I'm the one that did it.&#13;
&#13;
So that's why I'm sitting here today.&#13;
&#13;
First, your grandmother do the blessings.&#13;
&#13;
Send your uncle.&#13;
&#13;
He will bless you for your goodness.&#13;
&#13;
Honey, ain't owe you nothing.&#13;
&#13;
God ain't owe you a thing.&#13;
&#13;
You get paid in some way, you might&#13;
&#13;
not realize it, but it is coming.&#13;
&#13;
You get paid in some way. That's right.&#13;
&#13;
Because that was one of the good deeds.&#13;
&#13;
I mean, one of the very best deeds that I could have&#13;
&#13;
did was to take care of and look after my grandma.&#13;
&#13;
And I did that and it was well done.&#13;
&#13;
You're proud of yourself that you did it, aren't you?&#13;
&#13;
Yes, I am.&#13;
&#13;
I don't regret not a bit of it.&#13;
&#13;
It wasn't easy.&#13;
&#13;
No, it wasn't.&#13;
&#13;
It sure wasn't.&#13;
&#13;
But, you know, I just kind of had a will in mind.&#13;
&#13;
A will in mind.&#13;
&#13;
Nobody left to do it.&#13;
&#13;
Well, when your mother died, I&#13;
&#13;
didn't know I was a baby.&#13;
&#13;
And she took you in.&#13;
&#13;
She told my grandma Fanny, my dad's mother.&#13;
&#13;
Not my mother's mother. Not your mother.&#13;
&#13;
She didn't want to be bothered with me.&#13;
&#13;
You won't be buying a baby.&#13;
&#13;
You know.&#13;
&#13;
They washed the dapples then they washed all the&#13;
&#13;
dapples at the baby Wolf they didn't have right.&#13;
&#13;
They washed them and put them in&#13;
&#13;
bleaching and they were white as snow.&#13;
&#13;
It was a lot of work that was rough.&#13;
&#13;
It was rough.&#13;
&#13;
And I experienced some of that.&#13;
&#13;
I learned to cut the bath.&#13;
&#13;
I learned to set the bath.&#13;
&#13;
All that little girl from your&#13;
&#13;
uncle's or from your dad?&#13;
&#13;
From my grandma, my dad's mother.&#13;
&#13;
She's the one that raised me.&#13;
&#13;
My mother's mother didn't want to&#13;
&#13;
be bothered with no baby diverse.&#13;
&#13;
Does she live close by?&#13;
&#13;
They all live close by&#13;
&#13;
right across the field somewhere.&#13;
&#13;
Did you know her?&#13;
&#13;
My mother's mother?&#13;
&#13;
Sure I did.&#13;
&#13;
Her name is Coleman.&#13;
&#13;
How do you spell BTI?&#13;
&#13;
B-A-T-I.&#13;
&#13;
What was your mom's name? Hadty.&#13;
&#13;
Haddy Coleman.&#13;
&#13;
You was a grenade.&#13;
&#13;
How do you know that?&#13;
&#13;
Well, that's what was told to me.&#13;
&#13;
That's all we know.&#13;
&#13;
Somebody has to tell you, right.&#13;
&#13;
So she was my mother's mother.&#13;
&#13;
She didn't want no babysitting job.&#13;
&#13;
And you had to do a lot for a baby then.&#13;
&#13;
Now all you do is buy and&#13;
&#13;
throw away in Pampers and back.&#13;
&#13;
But then they had them pretty bird eyedappers.&#13;
&#13;
They had a little crinkle in the white material.&#13;
&#13;
You seem dapper.&#13;
&#13;
Bird's eye.&#13;
&#13;
You mean like embroidery or a&#13;
&#13;
little quicker than the material decoration?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, but that's a big job to watch.&#13;
&#13;
I had one of them grid, big old pots that you sit up&#13;
&#13;
on rocks out in the yard and boils to do the laundry.&#13;
&#13;
I've had all of that.&#13;
&#13;
I'm so proud that I had that experience.&#13;
&#13;
Are you?&#13;
&#13;
Yes, I have.&#13;
&#13;
And I'm not ashamed of it because it always clean cut.&#13;
&#13;
There was no dirty thinking this day.&#13;
&#13;
People have got so much dirty evilness in their&#13;
&#13;
heart and mind, it just isn't even funny.&#13;
&#13;
But them old folks, they love one&#13;
&#13;
another and they treat one another good.&#13;
&#13;
Well, if I had something, you had it.&#13;
&#13;
You know what I'm saying?&#13;
&#13;
They're hospitable.&#13;
&#13;
But this day is really bad.&#13;
&#13;
It's a shame didn't get as many people. It's evil.&#13;
&#13;
Thank you.&#13;
&#13;
It'll rubbed off.&#13;
&#13;
You have to be all careful&#13;
&#13;
what you said because they showed.&#13;
&#13;
And the bad thing that they ain't got no business&#13;
&#13;
taken up is just the thing that they take up.&#13;
&#13;
Why is that?&#13;
&#13;
I guess it's just life.&#13;
&#13;
But that's it.&#13;
&#13;
That bad thing is what they really&#13;
&#13;
focus on that gets their attention.&#13;
&#13;
It is just what they focus on, baby.&#13;
&#13;
And you know what?&#13;
&#13;
They listen and they're smart.&#13;
&#13;
Everything you said and the bad thing that they&#13;
&#13;
shouldn't hear and take in is a bad thing.&#13;
&#13;
That's what they remember.&#13;
&#13;
That's right.&#13;
&#13;
Well, tell me about being a beautician.&#13;
&#13;
Tell me about being a beautician.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, well, that was just one of the trees.&#13;
&#13;
My aunt was a beautician.&#13;
&#13;
I guess I could call myself during what she did.&#13;
&#13;
But you did it first, didn't she?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I did.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I was first, and then she come along.&#13;
&#13;
I guess she's doing what I did.&#13;
&#13;
He wanted to be a duty.&#13;
&#13;
Went to Madam CJ. Walker.&#13;
&#13;
I went to Madam CJ.&#13;
&#13;
Walker in Indianapolis.&#13;
&#13;
On Anna Avenue.&#13;
&#13;
Right on the corner of South Park.&#13;
&#13;
Were you living close to there when you went there?&#13;
&#13;
Close to who? Madam CJ. Walker.&#13;
&#13;
Not too far.&#13;
&#13;
Not too far.&#13;
&#13;
But I live in Fort Wayne.&#13;
&#13;
We really want our technical.&#13;
&#13;
I used to ride that train, but it&#13;
&#13;
had a name used to run through there.&#13;
&#13;
Not the Monon.&#13;
&#13;
I used to ride golf.&#13;
&#13;
Wayne to Indianapolis.&#13;
&#13;
School five days.&#13;
&#13;
Is that right?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Were you working in Fort Wayne at that time?&#13;
&#13;
I had a shop in Fort Wayne.&#13;
&#13;
A beautician shop.&#13;
&#13;
What was it called?&#13;
&#13;
What was it called?&#13;
&#13;
What was the name of the shop? Walker.&#13;
&#13;
Who? Moores.&#13;
&#13;
Antique.&#13;
&#13;
Antique. Antique.&#13;
&#13;
But in it antique.&#13;
&#13;
Like old antique Butte.&#13;
&#13;
It was set up antique.&#13;
&#13;
It was decorated into.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I enjoyed when I was there.&#13;
&#13;
And I really had a back pocket&#13;
&#13;
when I went down at night.&#13;
&#13;
Yes, I enjoyed it. Where was that?&#13;
&#13;
In Fort Lane.&#13;
&#13;
Do you remember the street address?&#13;
&#13;
Hannah was the name of the street.&#13;
&#13;
H-A-N-N-A.&#13;
&#13;
Was it fun just hanging out with ladies?&#13;
&#13;
It was fun just hanging out&#13;
&#13;
with ladies and talking about stuff.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, we have good all day.&#13;
&#13;
Could you do it?&#13;
&#13;
Were you good at it?&#13;
&#13;
Were you good at it?&#13;
&#13;
They said I was.&#13;
&#13;
They kept coming back.&#13;
&#13;
A lot of customers.&#13;
&#13;
I really had a good tree.&#13;
&#13;
What did they call you? Ethel.&#13;
&#13;
They just called you Ethel More then.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, you were more sure.&#13;
&#13;
Was he in the picture?&#13;
&#13;
Was he in the picture when&#13;
&#13;
you were doing the beauty salon?&#13;
&#13;
I got one here somewhere.&#13;
&#13;
You got a picture?&#13;
&#13;
I had it.&#13;
&#13;
I think I had it, though.&#13;
&#13;
I think he's got a cousin in Louisville.&#13;
&#13;
I believe I had that picture to them of the shop.&#13;
&#13;
Not the shop of my husband.&#13;
&#13;
Yes, I do come a long way.&#13;
&#13;
It must have been quite a&#13;
&#13;
change to come down to Betford.&#13;
&#13;
It must have been quite a&#13;
&#13;
change to come down to Bedford.&#13;
&#13;
Well, I tell you, I'm a person like this.&#13;
&#13;
When I make my mind up, it's just made up.&#13;
&#13;
I'm not too changeable is that word.&#13;
&#13;
Stubborn is the word stubborn.&#13;
&#13;
Not too changeable.&#13;
&#13;
I never had too much luck with my husband.&#13;
&#13;
I lost my husband, and the Lord blessed me&#13;
&#13;
to be lucky to get another good one.&#13;
&#13;
I don't have an offer, so I&#13;
&#13;
put it all on his main effect.&#13;
&#13;
He has kept his arms around me and&#13;
&#13;
lucky when you can think a little bit.&#13;
&#13;
When you're getting in your 80s,&#13;
&#13;
it ain't no small number. No.&#13;
&#13;
A lot of people don't live that long.&#13;
&#13;
A lot of people don't live that long.&#13;
&#13;
That is not a small number.&#13;
&#13;
But I tell you, he has really kept his arms around us.&#13;
&#13;
And he is the one that knows the&#13;
&#13;
heart, the mind, the soul, the everything.&#13;
&#13;
Without you having to tell it.&#13;
&#13;
You can't fool it because you&#13;
&#13;
know what you're thinking before.&#13;
&#13;
You know what you said.&#13;
&#13;
Now, where did you learn all this stuff, huh?&#13;
&#13;
Where did you learn all this stuff experience.&#13;
&#13;
It ain't all hard.&#13;
&#13;
I haven't been experienced.&#13;
&#13;
I did a lot of travel.&#13;
&#13;
Where have you traveled?&#13;
&#13;
All over on the other side.&#13;
&#13;
Plus all over here in the United States.&#13;
&#13;
All over.&#13;
&#13;
Where is Freeport it's in Canada.&#13;
&#13;
You've been to Canada?&#13;
&#13;
Oh, absolutely Freeport.&#13;
&#13;
What were you doing up there what&#13;
&#13;
were you doing up there just traveling.&#13;
&#13;
By yourself?&#13;
&#13;
No, me and my husband, Mr.&#13;
&#13;
Clemens.&#13;
&#13;
It's been an ID.&#13;
&#13;
See, we've been married.&#13;
&#13;
We've been married 29 years.&#13;
&#13;
Is that right silver anniversary is 25, 50.&#13;
&#13;
So we will meet our 25th anniversary.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's a long time.&#13;
&#13;
It still is a long time.&#13;
&#13;
You come a long way with it.&#13;
&#13;
How did you and Mr.&#13;
&#13;
Clemens meet up how did we meet we&#13;
&#13;
met through me losing my other husband.&#13;
&#13;
Did they know each other made it on to take a show.&#13;
&#13;
One of the brothers I'm a daughter of&#13;
&#13;
Elk, and one of them was his.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, you're a daughter of Elk.&#13;
&#13;
One of his brothers passed, and&#13;
&#13;
we were at a funeral home.&#13;
&#13;
That's how we met.&#13;
&#13;
For his brother.&#13;
&#13;
One of his brother, Elle.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, one of his brother, Elle. One of Mr.&#13;
&#13;
Clemens. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
One of both of them.&#13;
&#13;
Both belong to them.&#13;
&#13;
We were bad attending the weight.&#13;
&#13;
You can come in here, but you&#13;
&#13;
live in north out on the porch.&#13;
&#13;
Pretty good, baby.&#13;
&#13;
Look at that.&#13;
&#13;
You've done well, all right.&#13;
&#13;
[Tape 1, side A ends]&#13;
&#13;
[Tape 1, side B begins]&#13;
&#13;
Anything.&#13;
&#13;
Okay, now it's 358 and Mr.&#13;
&#13;
Clemens is here.&#13;
&#13;
You know what?&#13;
&#13;
I don't talk to her.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, you can talk.&#13;
&#13;
You can do a lot of talks.&#13;
&#13;
I was telling her about when I met you.&#13;
&#13;
I met you.&#13;
&#13;
I'm going to take a show.&#13;
&#13;
Elk's brother.&#13;
&#13;
She said one of your Elk's brothers have died. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And you were a daughter.&#13;
&#13;
She was in the daughter's&#13;
&#13;
over there up in Indianapolis.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I was.&#13;
&#13;
There it goes.&#13;
&#13;
I didn't expect you to be.&#13;
&#13;
And I live up there.&#13;
&#13;
I belong to father in Bloomington.&#13;
&#13;
Bloomington.&#13;
&#13;
And then Alderson was esteemed leave night that time.&#13;
&#13;
This particular policeman, he died?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I think so.&#13;
&#13;
In the meantime, I didn't have no wife, so&#13;
&#13;
he decided he would show me the gas.&#13;
&#13;
Introduced me to Harold today, didn't you?&#13;
&#13;
She said she's done the Washington.&#13;
&#13;
I've been doing the wash.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I did it when I did it on a washboard.&#13;
&#13;
I hung clothes out, too today.&#13;
&#13;
Not before.&#13;
&#13;
I used to wash down in the basement.&#13;
&#13;
Old fashioned washing machine with the&#13;
&#13;
thing where with the crank on.&#13;
&#13;
My grandma used to have one of&#13;
&#13;
those and it squeezes out the water. Yes.&#13;
&#13;
Well, tell me more about&#13;
&#13;
what happened with Harold Durson.&#13;
&#13;
Tell me more about what happened with Harold Durston.&#13;
&#13;
Now then he's got a door live in Plumberton Rose.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
She goes Bird.&#13;
&#13;
She goes with Bird.&#13;
&#13;
She does with Bird. Obama.&#13;
&#13;
I didn't know that.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's sweet.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Anyway, so you were up there at the&#13;
&#13;
funeral home, and here I'll just introduce you&#13;
&#13;
to introduce me to whichever one you want.&#13;
&#13;
There the one I want you to meet.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, he told me whichever one you want.&#13;
&#13;
That's what Harris did.&#13;
&#13;
But then I got one for me, especially because the&#13;
&#13;
other guy was married in between and she and me. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
We ain't got much time.&#13;
&#13;
We'd get a friend and get back because&#13;
&#13;
we're always went back together at the club.&#13;
&#13;
We've had a lot of fun. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Did the ladies go to the get together?&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
So then what?&#13;
&#13;
Did you ask for a phone number?&#13;
&#13;
No, I didn't ask for a phone number.&#13;
&#13;
You don't have to go back.&#13;
&#13;
What do you mean?&#13;
&#13;
I had to work the next day after.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, my gosh.&#13;
&#13;
What time did the club close?&#13;
&#13;
About 132 or something like that in the morning.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
I wish I'd been there to see it.&#13;
&#13;
We used to sit back on it and&#13;
&#13;
I thought I was the sharpest angle.&#13;
&#13;
So you had to get me, didn't you?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I had to get you.&#13;
&#13;
Now, where do you want me to stay, huh?&#13;
&#13;
You still tell the truth?&#13;
&#13;
Well, I want to know what happened at 130.&#13;
&#13;
What happened at 130 in the morning?&#13;
&#13;
She said, yes, I hate to see it.&#13;
&#13;
And I told him.&#13;
&#13;
And you said you sleep away on your side of the bed.&#13;
&#13;
I will share my bed with you,&#13;
&#13;
but you stay on your side.&#13;
&#13;
I sleep in the bed with a man&#13;
&#13;
and don't have to have to do it.&#13;
&#13;
It's up to you.&#13;
&#13;
Well, I must have told you something about it.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I know.&#13;
&#13;
He was a good man.&#13;
&#13;
So then what happened about your job?&#13;
&#13;
Where are at.&#13;
&#13;
And I'm going to be up for a whole lot of weekends.&#13;
&#13;
I'm going to be up for a whole lot of weekend.&#13;
&#13;
And you're going to miss me.&#13;
&#13;
So he said, I worked and all that overtime, everything.&#13;
&#13;
You probably got somebody above your mean,&#13;
&#13;
I'm still going to get a nice.&#13;
&#13;
What happened?&#13;
&#13;
The heater messed up.&#13;
&#13;
It got hot.&#13;
&#13;
Here's another guy that I was a&#13;
&#13;
friend of mine, he's his cousin.&#13;
&#13;
And he said.&#13;
&#13;
He told me that was the end of it.&#13;
&#13;
She's going to get.&#13;
&#13;
He told me, that boy, that's cousin, he&#13;
&#13;
said, she is the best looking woman.&#13;
&#13;
And then when he see me later, I think he&#13;
&#13;
next time he's seen me, he said, I told you&#13;
&#13;
that you could have to get you a new ride.&#13;
&#13;
I said, what?&#13;
&#13;
I told you that you go ahead and get you a new ride.&#13;
&#13;
A car?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, for her. Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
He said, he's going to get a new car.&#13;
&#13;
I think I got their car.&#13;
&#13;
And she came out of there.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, down there.&#13;
&#13;
Coming down that main drag.&#13;
&#13;
You had plenty of money to do, didn't you?&#13;
&#13;
I had a job.&#13;
&#13;
Old Lady Lily.&#13;
&#13;
Yes, ma'am.&#13;
&#13;
Did you?&#13;
&#13;
Yes, sir.&#13;
&#13;
And she gave me apples.&#13;
&#13;
Didn't you know what quilt I got at the antique mall?&#13;
&#13;
And the man who sold it said&#13;
&#13;
that he got it from a family.&#13;
&#13;
African American family.&#13;
&#13;
That worked.&#13;
&#13;
I wonder if you'd know them.&#13;
&#13;
You did now.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I know.&#13;
&#13;
I should show you.&#13;
&#13;
That one was named Ben and one was named.&#13;
&#13;
What was his name?&#13;
&#13;
But now what happened?&#13;
&#13;
Ben Malone was his.&#13;
&#13;
Malone was there a lady, too?&#13;
&#13;
I don't know.&#13;
&#13;
Anyway, Kirk and Ben one was a show from one.&#13;
&#13;
And at least they told you everything. Yes. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
This little was crazy about me. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
She bought me the best of uniform.&#13;
&#13;
She thought that I was cutie pie.&#13;
&#13;
And you were?&#13;
&#13;
Well, I don't know about that.&#13;
&#13;
But I tell you what.&#13;
&#13;
I've always tried to be nice and look nice.&#13;
&#13;
Yes, very good.&#13;
&#13;
And a lady told me she had a girl that worked for her.&#13;
&#13;
And she sure will help me with everything.&#13;
&#13;
She knew them had been in the family.&#13;
&#13;
She knew just what Ms.&#13;
&#13;
Lily like.&#13;
&#13;
You have some income?&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yes, definitely.&#13;
&#13;
So you didn't need a family?&#13;
&#13;
Well, not really.&#13;
&#13;
I didn't, because I was well taken care of.&#13;
&#13;
You had your own pace.&#13;
&#13;
What attracted you to him?&#13;
&#13;
One of his brother, Elf Had.&#13;
&#13;
And we met at the film home where the wake was.&#13;
&#13;
What were you esteemed leading night.&#13;
&#13;
What do you call it? Team leader.&#13;
&#13;
Esteem, esteem leader.&#13;
&#13;
So maybe that got her attention.&#13;
&#13;
Not really.&#13;
&#13;
The girl.&#13;
&#13;
And both of them is dead.&#13;
&#13;
It caused me to meet him.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Everybody else is dead, too.&#13;
&#13;
Octave. Octave.&#13;
&#13;
She knows Rosie because he's young.&#13;
&#13;
But all the mother folks, she went on now.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, probably not the last few years,&#13;
&#13;
but what attracted you to him?&#13;
&#13;
We were at this week where this brother&#13;
&#13;
had paid, and I was introduced to them&#13;
&#13;
by Harold Ducen and Octave of the wife.&#13;
&#13;
But did you think he was cute or what?&#13;
&#13;
Well, they knew him.&#13;
&#13;
They've been knowing him for a long time,&#13;
&#13;
and they know he was a good match.&#13;
&#13;
Everything that went with me, they know&#13;
&#13;
how to look out of that.&#13;
&#13;
All my life, I've been pretty good&#13;
&#13;
shape and always cared how I looked.&#13;
&#13;
So that made me buy pretty expensive thing.&#13;
&#13;
And I wore them and I had to part a little.&#13;
&#13;
And I had my sister come out.&#13;
&#13;
He did that on me.&#13;
&#13;
Well, you know, I had the clothes all the time.&#13;
&#13;
Now, who was your sister?&#13;
&#13;
Look at my closet.&#13;
&#13;
I worked all that overtime.&#13;
&#13;
I had a lot of money.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, you were working overtime.&#13;
&#13;
And plus the car wash.&#13;
&#13;
Wait a minute.&#13;
&#13;
No, I didn't.&#13;
&#13;
That was just very settling.&#13;
&#13;
If someone wants me to wash a car&#13;
&#13;
purposely, then I'll maybe wash your car.&#13;
&#13;
But outside of that, I was running back and&#13;
&#13;
forth on that and just working at Central Boundary.&#13;
&#13;
That's right.&#13;
&#13;
Okay, so that's where your money was going then.&#13;
&#13;
Fine.&#13;
&#13;
She asked me to go to Western Car. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Well, let me see now.&#13;
&#13;
When I lost my wife.&#13;
&#13;
When I lost my wife, I had $40,000 in this house.&#13;
&#13;
And the car paper.&#13;
&#13;
Well, they wanted him to meet.&#13;
&#13;
They knew I was a good person.&#13;
&#13;
And they knew him before they knew me.&#13;
&#13;
I just needed somebody.&#13;
&#13;
And I was going with a bad guy.&#13;
&#13;
But anyway, she's.&#13;
&#13;
He was a bad guy.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Charlie Brown, come out.&#13;
&#13;
He said, what are you doing?&#13;
&#13;
And he said, what are you doing?&#13;
&#13;
She's put a pin wrap against the telecom pole.&#13;
&#13;
Not strong, man, because I work harder.&#13;
&#13;
And I was strong in muscle.&#13;
&#13;
So very big muscles.&#13;
&#13;
And how you're against that telephone pole and&#13;
&#13;
you come, Charlie Brownie, what are you doing?&#13;
&#13;
What are you trying to do?&#13;
&#13;
Well, I plan on knocking her brains out.&#13;
&#13;
But, Gordon, I had some good clothes.&#13;
&#13;
I was sharp.&#13;
&#13;
Ethel didn't tell you about that part of that? Yes, sir.&#13;
&#13;
You were very sharp. That's right.&#13;
&#13;
And I had them closed and everything,&#13;
&#13;
and so I couldn't come over there.&#13;
&#13;
I want them to suit that.&#13;
&#13;
I was living with her.&#13;
&#13;
I was living with her in Bloomington, and it was&#13;
&#13;
not a good thing she threw a brick at you. Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
She could have killed you.&#13;
&#13;
She had a brick in the perk, and she was carrying&#13;
&#13;
the brick and she talked to me in all that curse.&#13;
&#13;
So about that time, I was just about&#13;
&#13;
like I said, two strokes in front where&#13;
&#13;
she gets behind her head or something.&#13;
&#13;
When I ducked around and I caught her and told&#13;
&#13;
her, Charles, he didn't know that we had been argued&#13;
&#13;
a lot and he didn't come out the back door.&#13;
&#13;
He comes just in time because you&#13;
&#13;
could have been in big trouble.&#13;
&#13;
Come home and I got home.&#13;
&#13;
I hadn't got home before she called all that stuff.&#13;
&#13;
You see.&#13;
&#13;
Now you come on back up here.&#13;
&#13;
You come on back here. Now.&#13;
&#13;
I know. Good way.&#13;
&#13;
Now.&#13;
&#13;
I was just waiting for me getting rid of that one.&#13;
&#13;
But I could have got in deep&#13;
&#13;
trouble if Charles hadn't come around.&#13;
&#13;
That was a blessing.&#13;
&#13;
That was a blessing that he came in time to stop you.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, because you lost your temper.&#13;
&#13;
That was bad business.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
That she came along right at the right time.&#13;
&#13;
That's right.&#13;
&#13;
And got you out of that situation.&#13;
&#13;
And you have the good sense to&#13;
&#13;
recognize the right thing to do.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
You got to give yourself some credit Because a&#13;
&#13;
lot of people would not have had the sense&#13;
&#13;
to say I got to get away from this. That's right. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
A lot of people just keep going back&#13;
&#13;
for and it got pulled on me.&#13;
&#13;
That must have been such a happy time in&#13;
&#13;
your life, though, when two of you got together.&#13;
&#13;
I bet that was fun.&#13;
&#13;
Okay, now it's about 430 anyway.&#13;
&#13;
Is it your supper time or anything? Yes.&#13;
&#13;
Is it your supper time or I supper time&#13;
&#13;
whenever we want to eat, here's your thing.&#13;
&#13;
But now we had a doctor's appointment kind&#13;
&#13;
of waiting the day for a doctor.&#13;
&#13;
I'm so happy that she came along and you had&#13;
&#13;
the sense to know a good thing when you thought&#13;
&#13;
and that you didn't get stuck in that situation.&#13;
&#13;
That's just such a blessing.&#13;
&#13;
05:40 p.m.&#13;
&#13;
Okay, that's coming up pretty soon.&#13;
&#13;
540.&#13;
&#13;
So he comes down here in the evening.&#13;
&#13;
That's all right.&#13;
&#13;
I've been here a long time.&#13;
&#13;
I've been here a long time already.&#13;
&#13;
I never heard that story before of&#13;
&#13;
how the two of you got together.&#13;
&#13;
That's very interesting about you wanted him to stay.&#13;
&#13;
You asked him to stay. Oh, yes.&#13;
&#13;
Because he looked and it's a&#13;
&#13;
long week to drive down here.&#13;
&#13;
That time of night.&#13;
&#13;
[Tape 1, side B ends]&#13;
&#13;
[Tape 2, side A begins]&#13;
430, right.&#13;
&#13;
You didn't want him to go to sleep on the road.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right. Right.&#13;
&#13;
And he had had the incident of hidden cans.&#13;
&#13;
You know how they set them up in the road, having&#13;
&#13;
blocks and whatnot, he run into one in Cannes and he&#13;
&#13;
was just asleep in his he'd go to sleep.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, I know what you mean.&#13;
&#13;
Those towns like doing roadways.&#13;
&#13;
So you don't want him to get in trouble.&#13;
&#13;
He run into one MCN.&#13;
&#13;
But you wouldn't just invite&#13;
&#13;
anybody to spend the night.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, no.&#13;
&#13;
I knew what I was doing.&#13;
&#13;
You knew he was a sweet guy.&#13;
&#13;
I know what I was doing.&#13;
&#13;
What were you doing?&#13;
&#13;
Well, I've got him in nine years.&#13;
&#13;
29 years.&#13;
&#13;
And he liked the way I look.&#13;
&#13;
And I liked the way that he looked because&#13;
&#13;
anything that I wanted, he gave it to me.&#13;
&#13;
He took care of you. That's right.&#13;
&#13;
He wanted you to be happy.&#13;
&#13;
That's right.&#13;
&#13;
So I've been sick.&#13;
&#13;
So we've been together for 29 years.&#13;
&#13;
Ain't no short time, just no short time.&#13;
&#13;
And now it's not tired of him.&#13;
&#13;
That's right.&#13;
&#13;
That sounds like I'm no way tired.&#13;
&#13;
That's my sweetest.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah. Yes.&#13;
&#13;
Too many couples can say that out there.&#13;
&#13;
He's my sweet Hunter.&#13;
&#13;
Anything that I can do to make it good for him.&#13;
&#13;
And he got at me over here, too.&#13;
&#13;
That's right.&#13;
&#13;
That's right, baby.&#13;
&#13;
Take care of something good going for me.&#13;
&#13;
I thank God for you.&#13;
&#13;
God sent you down from heaven above he sent you&#13;
&#13;
down for me to love he picked you out from&#13;
&#13;
all the rest because he knew I loved you best.&#13;
&#13;
Happy Valentine's Day, sweetheart.&#13;
&#13;
I love you more.&#13;
&#13;
And he is always that guy.&#13;
&#13;
He's a mess.&#13;
&#13;
That thing in there is my sweetie after 29 years.&#13;
&#13;
That's right.&#13;
&#13;
We've come a long way.&#13;
&#13;
We've gone around a mini curve.&#13;
&#13;
I would like to come back sometime.&#13;
&#13;
And I would like to do some&#13;
&#13;
more of this life story, too.&#13;
&#13;
Well, as I said, you always called and make sure.&#13;
&#13;
Just call and make sure it won't call. Right.&#13;
&#13;
That's okay.&#13;
&#13;
That's worked out sometimes.&#13;
&#13;
But you make people listen to you. Exactly.&#13;
&#13;
I'm crazy. Are you tired?&#13;
&#13;
Sometimes, though, some days kind of tired.&#13;
&#13;
Not so necessary this time of day.&#13;
&#13;
She's pretty straight.&#13;
&#13;
No, honey, look, I don't wash and put my clothes up.&#13;
&#13;
Did you put a clothes away and everything? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Yes, indeed.&#13;
&#13;
That's a lot of work for me to go back.&#13;
&#13;
You're all through.&#13;
&#13;
I'm old, but I'm still working, baby.&#13;
&#13;
I do my work.&#13;
&#13;
My everything cooking and everything washing.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
Now, we're still here in Bedford&#13;
&#13;
at Clemens household down at 450.&#13;
&#13;
And we're going to talk a few more minutes before Mr.&#13;
&#13;
And Ms.&#13;
&#13;
Clemens go off to the doctor. All right?&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
So you were talking about going to school, right?&#13;
&#13;
You were going to Mitchell.&#13;
&#13;
Mitchell High School.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's fine.&#13;
&#13;
He switched over to Mitchell High School.&#13;
&#13;
And he told us story about getting beat up.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right. Right. All.&#13;
&#13;
And then about Mr.&#13;
&#13;
Whatever His Name was coming and he broke up the fight.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
What was the name of that school?&#13;
&#13;
That was Mitchell High School.&#13;
&#13;
Mitchell High School. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Because the grade school discontinued at the 6th grade.&#13;
&#13;
And I come to Mitchell High School in&#13;
&#13;
the 7th grade, see, and that's when the&#13;
&#13;
trouble yeah, that's when the trouble started.&#13;
&#13;
Troublestory.&#13;
&#13;
And I was the only one there only black, black male.&#13;
&#13;
And then the next year it was different.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
Those children come from Consolidated School, and there's more&#13;
&#13;
of them, like two or three more of them.&#13;
&#13;
But that's all right. Okay.&#13;
&#13;
Don't you just tell me that story over&#13;
&#13;
again about what happened, about getting beat up.&#13;
&#13;
Every day there's a bunch of weight on&#13;
&#13;
me and I slip around somewhere else.&#13;
&#13;
On your way home. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
And somebody seen me and they call the crowd.&#13;
&#13;
They come and they got there&#13;
&#13;
and their farmer rang around me.&#13;
&#13;
And therefore I fought the one person to one person.&#13;
&#13;
So eventually I'm going to get beat up.&#13;
&#13;
Eventually I'm going to get beat up.&#13;
&#13;
So then I could say I want a home.&#13;
&#13;
And somebody told me with him&#13;
&#13;
every day with him over there.&#13;
&#13;
Did you run?&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, I run.&#13;
&#13;
When they let me lose, I could run.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
So next day, next day, same thing.&#13;
&#13;
Start again.&#13;
&#13;
So I went to I think it was CW Decker.&#13;
&#13;
And I told him they said that some of the other&#13;
&#13;
bars told me that you got to eat up every day.&#13;
&#13;
Also some of the other boys,&#13;
&#13;
some other white boys on him.&#13;
&#13;
So he called you to his office?&#13;
&#13;
No.&#13;
&#13;
Because he knew you were getting beat up? Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
No, he ain't called me.&#13;
&#13;
I'll take care of it.&#13;
&#13;
And he was a big man.&#13;
&#13;
And he just hold it at that back&#13;
&#13;
of that neck and held him up.&#13;
&#13;
He got three or four big pop ups at Power.&#13;
&#13;
You don't do that no more.&#13;
&#13;
No person fighting going over here no more.&#13;
&#13;
He stopped it the next day and I just went on my&#13;
&#13;
way because I know that suit and Ten was watching him do.&#13;
&#13;
See, he was fighting my little brother, he spied&#13;
&#13;
my little brother little brother got in the crowd&#13;
&#13;
there with his bowling on that little brother.&#13;
&#13;
And Catholics got in there and everything.&#13;
&#13;
So we just had it all around.&#13;
&#13;
It settled down.&#13;
&#13;
And then some of the friends that I know&#13;
&#13;
in the neighborhood, I walk school them everything.&#13;
&#13;
White kids or black kids? Oh, white.&#13;
&#13;
The policeman, what do you call it?&#13;
&#13;
And they got that straightened out, and he got&#13;
&#13;
to be a friend of mine after this other&#13;
&#13;
boy, after James Shelton, that's one day getting me&#13;
&#13;
some water without getting no money.&#13;
&#13;
And then I'm in.&#13;
&#13;
And don't you run from nobody.&#13;
&#13;
Here comes a boy and they come out and say,&#13;
&#13;
hey, you're whipping so and so now don't throw mud&#13;
&#13;
in the bucket because, dad, look at you.&#13;
&#13;
We don't care about Mr. Harry.&#13;
&#13;
We don't care about Mr. Harris.&#13;
&#13;
I look back and David's down&#13;
&#13;
on the Fort, the whole thing.&#13;
&#13;
He saw the whole thing.&#13;
&#13;
But hey, now as time comes, if you ever&#13;
&#13;
do it again, if you ever do it again,&#13;
&#13;
I'm swearing that you're going to be David.&#13;
&#13;
You're going to be David.&#13;
&#13;
So he's no, he come out and he&#13;
&#13;
come out coming at the well there.&#13;
&#13;
And I just got to somewhere around when he done&#13;
&#13;
that, I raised that bucket up and I went down&#13;
&#13;
and I raised the bucket up and all the mother&#13;
&#13;
dudes, hey, all the other dudes took off.&#13;
&#13;
But hey, the big ones are guys,&#13;
&#13;
like I say, not out of school.&#13;
&#13;
They were out of school.&#13;
&#13;
You didn't do that.&#13;
&#13;
So and so you're okay.&#13;
&#13;
My dad will get you off.&#13;
&#13;
So then you brought you filled the bucket up&#13;
&#13;
and took it home after you put it over.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's good.&#13;
&#13;
So this is when you were still&#13;
&#13;
getting trying to go to school.&#13;
&#13;
And that crowd right there, I was friends, everybody's&#13;
&#13;
friends of mine up and down Baker Street, everybody.&#13;
&#13;
The big was a little after that, after that on my side.&#13;
&#13;
So you just had to be strong.&#13;
&#13;
Stand up to him.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
Don't run no more.&#13;
&#13;
I ever see you running.&#13;
&#13;
No one don't run no more.&#13;
&#13;
He taught me not to run.&#13;
&#13;
They want you to be strong.&#13;
&#13;
I was out there after cold.&#13;
&#13;
I'm in school, way out there in&#13;
&#13;
the country, and we fought every day.&#13;
&#13;
But he said, hey, I felt wrong.&#13;
&#13;
Like I said, I didn't find anything.&#13;
&#13;
And before I could put the water&#13;
&#13;
again, there was torch more money.&#13;
&#13;
Red clay.&#13;
&#13;
He's asking for it now.&#13;
&#13;
What you going to do?&#13;
&#13;
The big old boy now, if he throws in&#13;
&#13;
there again, he throws more money in there.&#13;
&#13;
He went down and got some more red&#13;
&#13;
credit with a bank of red credit.&#13;
&#13;
He got some more.&#13;
&#13;
Now what you're going to do?&#13;
&#13;
He's going to do it again.&#13;
&#13;
I didn't see it.&#13;
&#13;
And when he raised his hand up, he&#13;
&#13;
raised his hand up to that what boom.&#13;
&#13;
To hit that water.&#13;
&#13;
I had about maybe about half foot water and&#13;
&#13;
come up there and overpail and then Pale hit&#13;
&#13;
that dude there in a carbon and he screamed.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Was it a wooden bucket or a metal bucket?&#13;
&#13;
It's a metal bucket.&#13;
&#13;
Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
Grandpa's name had a kind of a heavy galvanized bucket.&#13;
&#13;
Lack of washing, too.&#13;
&#13;
No, not that big.&#13;
&#13;
Not that big.&#13;
&#13;
Okay.&#13;
&#13;
But that's straight now.&#13;
&#13;
But I didn't have to run no more.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, when you did that, because when you did&#13;
&#13;
with the bucket, they said, you don't fight fair.&#13;
&#13;
You got to do what you can do.&#13;
&#13;
They weren't fighting fair either.&#13;
&#13;
Well, that boy and I have been.&#13;
&#13;
Had it two or three times. Yeah. Had it.&#13;
&#13;
Had it two or three times.&#13;
&#13;
But then he was going to.&#13;
&#13;
He found out that your old Daddy don't&#13;
&#13;
do that because I'm going to kill you.&#13;
&#13;
So you didn't say that. Oh, yeah.&#13;
&#13;
I want my boy to be fighting like that.&#13;
&#13;
And everybody's standing up here and&#13;
&#13;
I got to have water.&#13;
&#13;
We got to have clear water, clean water.&#13;
&#13;
And he's throwing that mud in there.&#13;
&#13;
And Harry, you see that boy over there? Mr.&#13;
&#13;
Sean is over there.&#13;
&#13;
I don't know when he works or what are you going to do?&#13;
&#13;
But this boy is going to come up here and get walked.&#13;
&#13;
Central deal.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, a pump. Yeah, pump.&#13;
&#13;
A lot of people use it. Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
He's going to watch some coffee.&#13;
&#13;
Because every time he comes home with that mud&#13;
&#13;
in the fucking I'm going to beat and that&#13;
&#13;
beat me like he beat me dead.&#13;
&#13;
He did that to make you fight for you.&#13;
&#13;
So how old were you then?&#13;
&#13;
Like twelve or something?&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah, that's right.&#13;
&#13;
Now, what about the time did&#13;
&#13;
you graduate from high school?&#13;
&#13;
And then there's a thing about where you got on&#13;
&#13;
the bus or something and you came to Bedford.&#13;
&#13;
Oh, yeah, that's right.&#13;
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They hired you?&#13;
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Yes, that's right.&#13;
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His name was Byers. Byers.&#13;
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Yeah, so you actually lived on their property&#13;
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Yeah, I enjoy it, but I made the money and you&#13;
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Classroom. Indoor.&#13;
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I never been to the Church door.&#13;
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She's praying to the doctors up there.&#13;
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Oh, you didn't get on me that switched over to you.&#13;
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Well, they're linked.&#13;
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The two storeys are linked.&#13;
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The two stories are linked.&#13;
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Well, I think I should let you guys go.&#13;
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You guys probably need to go pretty soon. Yeah.&#13;
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