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                    <text>I ,

TO MOVE MOUNTAINS
July l C,

19f 6

~YM OUTH CONG RfG tTI ONP L CliUhCh
I sat in front of my television set and I hear him say it: "We
want b.~.a4 k power 11 •
I remember he said it several times, each
time with more emotion and determination than before. It seems
that I said to myself then, ''Lord, help him t o use it right when
he gets it", and, like those standing in the crowd, I too added
my "Amen." Then I promptly forgot the whole incident.
Suddenly, it 1 s staring me in the face again. From the front page
of the morning paper: "NAACP condemns demand for "blaek power";
"Humphrtty Against Black Power". Suddenly men and women who had
worked side by side, suffering and dying for a common cause, were
hurling violent accusations at each other. Me n who had risked their
reputations, even their lives, now turned and fled from this nasty
phrase 11 hlack power". The question this mass flight raises in my
mind is "Are we faced with a golden calf fashioned to lead those
in search of the promised land of equality astray?" Or have we
finally arrived at that day of judgement when the strong shall be
separated from the weak? But the most important question is,
"Where must I, as a Christian, take my standr,?
We are confronted with a conflict very similiar to that menticned
by Paul in his letter to the church at Corinth. I admit that the
problem was not central in any of his letters, but his brief mention
of it is enough to let us know that it is n ut peculiar to our situati0n.
I am speaking specifically of one phrase 11 If I have the faith
to move mountains and have not love, I am nothing". The ~onflict
is there; it is underlying Paul's thought: If I have, and I would
rather say here, the power to move mountains, and have not love, I
am nothing.
For some strange reason, men have always paid lip service to the
great value of love, and to the inherent evil of power. Yet, history can be told as the endless quest for power; the never ending
search for the ability to either force, persuade or trick others
into behavior patterns not of their own chcn., sing.
This is powert The raw fact is that power enables he who posesses
it to make others do what he desires them to do.
This is what
frightens us about it. Add to this the hint of violence, and the
near panic seen this past week in Los Angeles is the result.
And we have a right to fear such a combination. Did not this
marriage of force and political power plunge the whole world into
armed conflict from which we have yet to recover? Has not this
combination held the south in its grip for almcst three centuries?
Would not Medgar Evers, Lemuel Penn and many, many others be alive
today if this marriage had never taken place? Any political power
that is rooted in force, even if it is great enough to move whole
mountains, is demonic and corruptive, be it white, black or green.
It is, in the metaphysical terminology of the late Paul Tillic h , th.:manifestation of the destructive power of n on-being. It is the
negation of life itself. It reduces human beings to mere pawns on
a chess board, or statistics on a casualty list. So and so number

�2

of Viet Cong were killed in operat i on 384. We forget that these
are people who are dead, not flies. This is the corrup tive influence of power withou t love. And if this is what is meant by
"black power;' I must stand, violen tly, if necess ary, opposed to it.
But what of love wi. thout power? I am afraid that, while we might
over the long run be able to move the mounta in of hate ahd pre- We
judice out of the way, we simply don 1 t have the time for that.
have preache d the subtle power of love from Negro pulpits for many
years now. We have seen it work in the civil rights activi ties of
the past. But now, with the new laws for which we fought so hard
g -being disrega rded each day; now, with the last hurdle -- housin
known
has
which
tion
almost sure to stump us; now, with a new genera
little else but poverty and police brutal ity -- now, I fear this
messag e has very little meanin g. Love is ideal; few would deny that.
But the ultimat um issued in watts I and II, in Harlem and Roches ter
amd Chicago is not for interra cial love, but f or human justice . \ nd
the realiza tion of justice , no matter how one looks at it, demand s
power. It demand s that a h r \. , ti... f _·r_; invisib le invisib le people become obviou s. That the non-ex istent man be felt. It is intere sting
that one youth, when asked why the watts ri c- t had taken place anawered "It was the cnly way to make whitey see us". Of course he
was wrong, there was anothe r way: black pcwer. A voice ''downto wn".
A voice that is heard downtow n. That's all. The author ities knew
that riot was coming . They were told many times by many men. But
that voice was not heard. watts had no power, until that match was
struck . Then. Then the whole world knew they were there.
Malcolm Boyd says the sania thing, a bit differe lh.Ly, in ~ prayer
for racial justice . He asks the centra l questio n: Is what God
wants going to make any differe nce in what all of us are going to
do?
The questio n must never become "Will we lose some white suppor t.
We will. We will lose those who desire to patern alistic ally give
us small advanc es, but ever keepin g us just a bit below. We will
lose them. But we will keep those who are sinc e rely workin g to asdo
God 1 s will, to bring about a society where all men are treated
men, where love is a possib ility. The questio n must never become
"Is black power anti-w hite power" ? because to some it will always
be. It will also be agains t some of us. Those who are workin g
agains t a just societ y, who profit from discrim ination and segregation . Wheneve r there is a mounta in to be moved, there will be
those who like it the way it is.
The real questio n is "once we get this power, what will we do with
it 11 ? Will we furthe r hate and separa tion? I pray not. Will we
seek vengen ce for years of being wronge d? I pray not. These are
the real danger s of black power, not these mentio ned in the news
media. The danger is not that black power is anti-w hite, but that
it will become anti-hu man. 'Ibat it will los e all traces of the love
that paved the road to realiza tion. The danger is that we will set
out to move mounta ins, having in cur hands the power to do so, but
,.,•y prayer is still "Lord, help
withou t love. Then we are nothin g.
11
him use it right when he gets it.

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                    <text>QUESTIONAIRE FOR ORAL HISTORIES
1. lam
with
on

Kimberly Feinberg, I am conducting an interview
Genie Aberson
for the JFVS archives
July 30, 2007.

2. Can you tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and
when?
My mother, through my grandparents,
was first generation bom in Louisville,
they came from different parts of Germany, grandfather Joseph Lang came from Frankfort
and grand
mother came from Aingbach. And they
came over here and met in Louisville.
My Father’s family is from Germany also, but not sure which parts, the name was
Lowenstein. Elsie Flisher. Fleischer was my other Grandmother Lowenstein

3. What were your parents’ names and where were they born?

annie Lang
Mother
was Fbom in Louisville.
Father Stanley Ben Lowenstein in Hamilton OH
They met when
she went to university of Cincinnati an
Conservatory
d
he went to
School
law school
of Music
in Cincy there and that’s
how they met.
4. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home?
Where did you live then? Who lived in the same house with you Grandparents?
Uncles/aunts?
Brothers? Sisters?
March 18, 1940. mainly English, a little German, quite a bit later when grandmother
lived with us when I was about 12. first house was 2228 village drive in Louisville,
near the famous village drive circle in the highlands. When I was bout 12 we moved to
2320 on village drive. Brother, mother, father, grandmother and leased with us.

5. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the
neighborhood? Did you walk to school? Sunday School? Temple? Was
there a neighborhood grocery? Drug store?
A lot of Jewish people lot of fun. It was like a temple. And a lot of my parents friends knew each
other and were friends with each other, and we would hang out with the many Jewish people there. A
lot of my parents’ friends who were Jewish were in the neighborhood also. No, Iwalked
could have
to school but I was driven. I wentto temple and Sunday school, we were in a driving
group then. Was both, the model drug store was a Jewish drugstore and we would go over there

&amp; have delicious sodas and we would hang out and have a good time.

6. How did the 1937 flood affect you and your family?
It probably affected my family, but not me. I didn’t really feel it.

7. If you wished to travel what kind of transportation did you use? Did you
travel when you were young? If so, where?

�A lot of car trips, some plane^Jhatwas^yery exciting and it was not as frequent, by plane we went
to Cincinnati and Chicago, we took a trip to Hawaii, when I was in high school, and my
brother had just graduated that
fromwas
highaschool.
big deal we loved that.

8. Was your family involved in a synagogue / temple?
Very actively, my grandfather on my mother’s side was president of the temple, Brith Sholom
My father was
pres of temple,BrithShol mand mother pres of sisterhood. I had a very involved family.fathempl or 8 years

9. What holidays and rituals were observed?

All of them, especially Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Hanukkah, and Passover was a
big deal to my family. I have wonderful memories of it.
10. Did you attend religious school? Were you confirmed? Bar Mitzvah?

Yes, confirmed.
I was
11.What is your educational background? What was your career?

Hs, and 3 yrs to college the university of Miami and University
transferred toof Kentucky and at
UofL a few courses but didn’t graduate. Elementary education. And volunteered.

12. What brought you to Louisville and when did you come?

I was bom here and never left. There were friends and family and it was easy. and I loved it.
13. How did you meet your husband/wife? Where and when were you married?
Did you have children?

Well it’s really cute. I was at University of Kentucky I had just transferred from U of Miami
Miami to be with someone I had been with in high school. And his fraternity brother
introduced us at a frat party. October 16, 1960. 3 children. 2 daughters and a son.
14. Tell about you involvement in the Jewish Community? Was you whole family
involved?

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18. What are your favorite family memories?

Christmas, because my in-laws anniversary was Christmas day, being their
anniversary we always had friends and made a big deal out of the day. Holidays,
birthdays and any family occasion.

19. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What values
would you like to pass on to those you leave behind?
Good mother, and a friend, and a active
grandparent, and sister, family is the most
important. We are very close. Closeness of family and being there for each other and
make the most of being together and share the closeness. Do for each other and
always enjoy and make the most of their time together. Even if they don’t live in the
same city make time to see each other and be there for each other. Bea wonderful
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monetarily. donating

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�QUESTIONAIRE FOR ORAL HISTORIES
1. lam
with
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Kimberly Feinberg, I am conducting an interview
Genie Aberson
for the JFVS archives
July 30, 2007.

2. Can you tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and
when?

My mother was first generation bom in Louisville, my grandparents came from
different parts of Germany, my grandfather, Joseph Lang, came from Frankfort and
grandmother came from Ainsbach. And they came over here, and met in Louisville.
My father’s family is from Germany also, but not sure which parts, name was
Lowenstein. Elsie Fleischer Lowenstein was my other grandmother.
3. What were your parents’ names and where were they born?

My mother, Fannie Lang, was bom in Louisville.
My father, Stanley Ben Lowenstein, was bom in Hamilton, OH.
They met when she went to University of Cincinnati Conservatory School of Music
and he went to law school in Cincinnati, and that’s how they met.
4. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home?
Where did you live then? Who lived in the same house with you Grandparents?
Uncles/aunts?
Brothers? Sisters?
March 18, 1940. mainly English, a little German, quite a bit later when grandmother
lived with us when I was about 12. First house was 2228 village drive in Louisville,
near the famous Village Drive Circle. In the highlands. When I was about 12 we
moved to 2320 on village drive. Brother , mother, father, grandmother lived with us.

5. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the
neighborhood? Did you walk to school? Sunday School? Temple? Was
there a neighborhood grocery? Drug store?
A lot of Jewish people lot of fun. It was like a temple. And a lot of my parent’s
friends knew each other, we were friends with each other, and we would hang out
with the many Jewish people there. A lot of my parents’ friends who were Jewish
were in the neighborhood also. No, I could have walked to school, but I was driven. I
went to temple and Sunday school; we were in a driving group then. There were
both, the Model Drug Store, was a Jewish drugstore and we would go over there and
have delicious sodas and we would hang out and have a good time.

6. How did the 1937 flood affect you and your family?
It probably affected my family, but not me. I didn’t really feel it.

�7. If you wished to travel what kind of transportation did you use? Did you
travel when you were young? If so, where?
A lot of car trips, some plane, that was very exciting and it was not as frequent, by
plane I went to Cincinnati and Chicago, and the family took a trip to Hawaii, when I
was in high school, my brother had just graduated from high school and that was a
big deal, we loved that.

8. Was your family involved in a synagogue / temple?
Very actively, my grandfather on my mother’s side was president of the temple Brith
Shalom, my father president of temple Brith Shalom, and mother president of
sisterhood at Brith Shalom for 8 years. I had a very involved family at the temple.

9. What holidays and rituals were observed?
All of them, especially Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Hanukkah, and Passover were
a big deal to my family. I have wonderful memories of it.
10. Did you attend religious school? Were you confirmed? Bar Mitzvah?

Yes, I was confirmed.

11 .What is your educational background? What was your career?
High school, and 3 yrs to college the University of Miami and transferred to
University of Kentucky, and I took a few courses at UofL, but didn’t graduate.
Elementary education. And volunteered.

12. What brought you to Louisville and when did you come?

I was bom here and never left. There were friends and family and it was easy and I
loved it.
13. How did you meet your husband/wife? Where and when were you married?
Did you have children?

Well it’s really cute. I was at University of Kentucky I had just transferred from the
University of Miami to be with someone I had been with in high school. And his
fraternity brother introduced us at a frat party. October 16, 1960. 3 children. 2
daughters and a son.

14. Tell about you involvement in the Jewish Community? Was you whole family
involved?

I was a vice president of the sisterhood, at Brith Shohem which is now combined
with the temple, membership chair, active in the guild, women’s auxiliary officer of

�Jewish Hospital in that, head of the bingo time project, and patients watched bingo
and patients loved it. I just like to volunteer one shot things, and now I still like to
help out a little bit. Yes, my husband was very involved in the Jewish community.
15. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel?

My grandfather brought over a lot of his family about 1930’s and came over himself
for better job opportunity. Not really no.
16. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?

Going to Israel. We were on a UJA mission from New York, and I never imagined
that something could be that touching. Even though you read about it, you can’t even
visualize. And the wonderful education from the guides, I feel very lucky that I got that
experience. Very much did, mother loved going to temple and had a lot of sayings thank god
and knock on wood. She had high spirituality and loved going to temple and the holidays
were very impressed on me. And fasting and Passover, and observed the rituals of Judaism.
Also the importance of the Seder, because my family made a big deal out of that by
having lots of family. It was most enjoyable and memorable having the short service with all
of us participating.

17. What interests do you have?

Love to read, play bridge, play canasta, I played tennis, I work out, going to art
museums, and art glass, and works of art, Broadway plays and attending symphony,
being social, and being with friends having them over and having cookouts.
18. What are your favorite family memories?

Christmas, because my in-laws anniversary was Christmas day, being their
anniversary we always had friends and made a big deal out of the day. Holidays,
birthdays and any family occasion.
19. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What values
would you like to pass on to those you leave behind?

To be a good mother, and a friend, and a caring, active grandparent, and sister, family
is the most important. We are very close. Closeness of family and being there for
each other and make the most of being together and share the closeness. Do for each
other and always enjoy and make the most of their time together. Even if they don’t
live in the same city make time to see each other and be there for each other. Be a
wonderful parent and grandparent. And be proud of what religion you are, your
Jewishness, and give back to your community because it’s been so good to you
through volunteering or monetarily donating.

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�Jewish Family &amp; \Vocational Service
Louis &amp; Lee Roth Family Center

JFVS is always here throughout
every season of your life.

Board of Directors

Judy Freundlich Tiell
Executive Director

Barbara Goldberg
President

Debbie Friedman
Jay Klempner
Vice Presidents

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

Mark Ament
Treasurer

I do hereby give my permission to record my life history through the Jewish

Lowell D. Katz, M.D.
Ex-officio President

Family and Vocational Service, 3587 Dutchmans Lane, Louisville, Kentucky 40205.

Mitchell Charney
Jane Goldstein
Marjorie B. Kohn
Robert Levine
Howard Markus
Shirley Markus
Gail Pohn
Lillian Seligman
Steven Shapiro
Jeffrey Weiss
P'^t Presidents

My story will be kept in the JFVS Library and can be accessed by interested people.

It will be preserved archivally for future generations.

o D. Cole
Arthur Grossman
Shelton R. Weber
Honorary Directors
Caren Carney
Sally Davis
Ann Friedman
Sandi Friedson
Alyson Goldberg
Rick Greenberg
Ronald Levine
Martin Margulis
Stephanie Mutchnick
Marsha Beck Roth
Hunt Schuster
Brian Segal
Bernard Sweet
Reed Weinberg
Amy Wisotsky

Rabbi David Ariel-Joel
Rabbi Avrohom Litvin
Rabbi Stanley Miles
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Rabbi Gaylia R. Rooks
Rabbi Nadia Siritsky
Rabbi Robert Slosberg
Rabbi Bradley C. Tecktiel

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Agencies
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Jewish Vocational Services

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Metro United Way

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1. lam
with
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Ann Friedman
Les Aberson
February 4, 2002

, I am conducting an interview
for the JFVS archives

2. Can you tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and
when?

My maternal grandparents come from Latvia, Russia in the late 1890’s. They came
after the pogroms came into power for freedom. One of my mother’s brothers was
bom in Russia. He was the only sibling to be bom there. They came to New York
and then moved to St. Louis. He was a blacksmith.
On my father’s side, my grandparents came from Russia, moved to Germany,
England, and then St. Louis. My father’s mother was from Worchester England. My
dad’s father was a tailor, and made clothing.

3. What were your parents’ names and where were they born?

My father, Hillard Aberson, was bom 8/15/1903 in St. Louis. My mother Adele
Wenneier Aberson, was bom 2/10/1911 in St. Louis.

4. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home?
Where did you live then? Who lived in the same house with you Grandparents?
Uncles/aunts?
Brothers? Sisters?

I was bom on 5/30/36. English was spoken in my house, but my mother would speak
Yiddish when she wanted to say something secretively. My mother and sister lived in
the house with me in St. Louis. My sister’s name is Renee Aberson Hymson.
5. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the
neighborhood? Did you walk to school? Sunday School? Temple? Was
there a neighborhood grocery? Drug store?

I lived in a Will Simon neighborhood, you knew your neighbors. My oldest friends
were Irish Catholic, white Jewish, and non-Jewish. There was no prejudice shown.
There was an area with though guys, but I always went with my Irish friends, and
they left us alone. I walked alone to Delmar-Hamed, my school, which was a few
miles to walk to. I went to Hamley Junior High School, and we had moved far west
to a larger home. I had a very long walk of two or three miles. Winters were cold and
there was no bus. We moved to Lexington when I went to Lafayette High. I got my
driver’s license when I was 15, and I had skipped a grade. I drove the last few years
to School.
I was part of the Sheramut Congregation in St. Louis. When we moved to Lexington
I was part of Adath Israel. My family went to services. I blew the shofar on Rosh

�Hashanah. They would pull pranks on me. One year there was streamers, one year
confetti. When I blew the shofar herds would come. We had no air conditioning, and
they would flock to the area.
In St. Louis Mr. Jaspers was the grocery store, but there was no drug store. Mr.
Jaspers was very nice and let us have a pickle. You knew everybody.
6. How did the 1937 flood affect you and your family?

We were not part of the flood.
7. If you wished to travel what kind of transportation did you use? Did you
travel when you were young? If so, where?

Automobile
When we were very young we would always go with my parents on vacation. We
went to Miami, Lexington, Louisville, and New England. When we were in
Lexington there was a lot of family together; lots of aunts and uncles. We had lots of
family picnics, and they were great.
8. Was your family involved in a synagogue / temple?

My father was president of the brotherhood, and my mother was president of the
sisterhood.
9. What holidays and rituals were observed?

All of the holidays were observed. Christmas was my parents’ anniversary, and we
had a big tree. We celebrated every major Jewish holiday.
10. Did you attend religious school? Were you confirmed? Bar Mitzvah?

I attended Adath Israel and was confirmed.
11. What is your educational background? What was your career?

I got a BS from UK in 1957, and a law degree in 1960. My first job was attorney for
the department of highways, appellate division. I would write briefs for court of
appeals. I wrote the case: Low to value lease hold interests in to eminent domain. I
wrote laws that are still in effect today. It was a precedent. It stands as a landmark
case. I then went to trail as district attorney for Lexington, KY (27 counties). After a
year the director of the Louisville department wanted to make me an assistant. We
decided that we had to leave Lexington and turned down the big promotion.
I left and went with Shelly Wehers and Fred Goldberg. I was with them 2 years, and
did general work. I wanted to do a different kind of law. I had been working for Jae
Kaplan, and he hired me. He had a well respected practice. This was in 1963.1 did
trial work, business law, and estate work.
Today my law relates to business and real estate; it relates almost exclusively to
corporate tax and estate work.

�12. What brought you to Louisville and when did you come?

My position with Goldberg in 1961.
13. How did you meet your husband/wife? Where and when were you married?
Did you have children?

Genie was dating my little brother in my fraternity, and she broke up with him. I then
started to date her.
Genie loved to go out to dinner. I never called her for a date, I just drove in and often
she was on a date. Once I went there and I spent time with her folks. She asked me to
marry her. I got her a watch for our engagement.
I hadn’t packed to our honeymoon, and I also lost my pants. We had to go back and
pack.
We were married at Brith Shalom October 16, 1960 by Martin Perely and Joe
Rosenbloom.
We had three children. Karen Lowenstein Aberson Mengel married Dr. Barry
Mengel and had two children, Abigail Fae Mengel and Jashua Sonley. Angela Lynn
Aberson Weildstein married Daniel Weilstein and had two children, Max and
Charles. Leslie Hillard Aberson married DJacqueline and had two children, Jordon
Hunter and Gabriella Ashley.
14. Tell about you involvement in the Jewish Community? Was you whole family
involved?

I was president of Bnai Brith, Brith Shalom, and the temple men’s club. I was on the
Jewish Hospital board, public capital campaign chair for Jewish Hospital, capital
campaign chair for Temple, and a board member for the conference of Christians and
Jews.
Genie was part of the sisterhood, and my children were in religious clubs; my whole
family was involved in temple.
15. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel?

During WWII all of my cousins were in the Pacific and Europe. My mother helped
with the Red Cross, and my father was also involved. All of my cousins came back.
16. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?

Rabbi Gordon from St. Louis was a fabulous guy. When he spoke it was as if G-d
was speaking.
My parents’ values were unbelievable.
All of the arts are important, they set the example. I had a very special mom and dad
that always made time.
When I was in grade school a teacher asked me to write an essay about the man you
most admired and I wrote about my dad. I was the only one.
I am awed by nature.

�I try to follow Jewish values; it’s the values as much as the religion. It’s not the ritual
it’s who and what you are.
17. What interests do you have?

Professionally, well read, business I am in, and friendships are my interests.
18. What are your favorite family memories?

Holidays were fabulous. I remember my dad’s mother, she was the only grandparent
alive, special occasions, my birthday, Christmas, we had Hershey and no one could
get it, we had a party at my parents’ at Christmas. For my parents’ big occasions we
had big parties. All of my life cycle events were important.
19. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What values
would you like to pass on to those you leave behind?

That others had learned values from me and people are proud of me and love me. I
want them to think of the great memories we had together. I want people to think of
me as a good person.
It is important to be caring and honest. Good character leaves a good name.
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Barbara Goldberg
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Lowell Katz
Robert Riley
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Gail Pohn
Ex-officio President

MltcheH Charney
jane Goldstein
Robert Levine
Howard Markus
Shirley Markus
Lillian Seligman
Jeffrey Weiss
Past Presidents

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
I do hereby give my permission to record my life history through the Jewish

Family and Vocational Service, 3587 Dutchmans Lane, Louisville, Kentucky
40205. My story will be kept in the JFVS Library and can be accessed by
interested people. It will be preserved archivally for future generations.

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Jay Klempner
Benjamin Levitan
Chuck OXoon
Jordan Pohn
Suzy Post
Mona Schramko
Judy Shapira
Julie Strull
Susan Waterman
Frank Welsberg
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LESLIE D. ABERSON

PERSONAL INFORMATION:
PROFESSIONAL:

Member of law firm Rothschild, Aberson, Miller &amp; Goodin
EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND:
Bachelor of Science Degree - University of Kentucky - 1957
Juris Doctor - University of Kentucky - 1960

CURRENT MEMBERSHIPS AND ORGANIZATIONS;
Director - University of Kentucky Law School Foundation since 1987
Fellow - University of Kentucky
Director - Louisville Free Public Library Foundation since 1988

Director - Kentucky Athletic Hall of Fame since 1963
(Bank of Louisville)

Director - MidAmerica Bancorp

since 1982

Member - Jewish Hospital Institutional Review Committee
Director - The Temple

RECENT PAST MEMBERSHIPS AND ORGANIZATIONS:
Member Kentucky Council on Higher Education until 1992

Director - Jewish Hospital of Louisville
Director - Louisville Medical Research Foundation

President &amp; Director - B'rith Sholom Temple
Director - National Conference of Christians and Jews
Vice President
Louisville

&amp;

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PROFESSIONAL MEMBERSHIPS:
Louisville Bar Association

Kentucky Bar Association
Kentucky Trial Lawyer's Association
American Trial Lawyer's Association

Admitted to practice - State of Kentucky, United States Tax Court
and Supreme Court of the United States

MISCELLANEOUS:
Recipient - Louis Cole Young Leadership Award
Married - former Regene Jo Lowenstein.
Three children: Karen A.
Mangel,
Angie A.
Wildstein and Leslie H Aberson.
Three
grandchildren: Abigail and Josh Mangel and Maxwell H. Wildstein.

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LESLIE D. ABERSON

CURRENT MEMBERSHIPS AND ORGANIZATIONS:
Director - Louisville Free Public Library Foundation since 1968
Director - Kentucky Athletic Hall of Fame since 1963

(Bank of Louisville) since 1982

Director - MidAmerica Bancorp

Member - Jewish Hospital Institutional Review Committee

Director - The Temple and current Chairman of The Temple Capital
Campaign Drive

Fellow - University of Kentucky

RECENT PAST MEMBERSHIPS AND ORGANIZATIONS:
Director - University of Kentucky Law School Foundation

Member Kentucky Council on Higher Education until 1992
Director - Jewish Hospital of Louisville
Director - Louisville Medical Research Foundation

President &amp; Director - B1rith Sholom Temple

Director - National Conference of Christians and Jews

Vice President
Louisville

&amp;

Director

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Jewish

Community

Federation

of

PROFESSIONAL MEMBERSHIPS:
Louisville Bar Association
Kentucky Bar Association

Admitted to practice - State of Kentucky, United States Tax Court
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1. I am
with
on

Robert Friedman
, I am conducting an interview
Marie K. Abrams
for the JFVS archives
October 2, 2001.

2. Can you tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and
when?

Charles SW1 helped my father come from Germany in 1929 when he was 18 years old, because
Hitler was coming into power, and he had to leave.
My grandmother came in 1939, because she wouldn’t leave my grandfather while he was alive.
My mother’s grandparents came from Lithuania and were married in 1893 in Louisville, Kentucky,
and then went to Mississippi and lived there in a small town until my grandmother came over from
Lithuania in 1886. After my mother was bom they moved back to Louisville.

3. What were your parents’ names and where were they born?

My mother Thelma Evans Kahn 4/22/12-7/10/89 was bom in Louisville, Kentucky.
My father Leo Kahn 2/7/11- 4/27/87 was bom in Germany.

4. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home?
Where did you live then? Who lived in the same house with you Grandparents?
Uncles/aunts?
Brothers? Sisters?

I was bom 10/19/37.
My father decided that English would be the only language spoken in my house. Even when
refugees came to our house he would only speak English.
We lived on Auerbach er Court when I was bom. When I was 1 /2 we moved to Murray.
We had a one bedroom apartment, in which the maid lived along with the family, so I slept in the
back.

5. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the
neighborhood? Did you walk to school? Sunday School? Temple? Was
there a neighborhood grocery? Drug store?
There were Jews were in my neighborhood, we were the only Jewish family, and people walked
places. It was 2-3 blocks to the grocery store, Liberty Bank, and Cherokee Dairy, where everyone
walked to get ice cream. When I was in 5th and 6th grades I walked to both school and temple.

6. How did the 1937 flood affect you and your family?

This question was not asked

�7. If you wished to travel what kind of transportation did you use? Did you
travel when you were young? If so, where?
I preferred traveling by bus. From the age of 1 I went to AJ until I was about 3. When I was 8 or 9 I
would go to YMHA to dancing school.
Every Saturday I went to Brith Shalom, and then Laura Kahy and I would go to 2nd and Broadway
for lunch and a movie. When we took long trips we took the train and when I was a teenager we
used a car.
I went to Chattanooga and I stayed one month during the Polis Scare, and for 5years I went to
Biloxi Mississippi for a big family reunion.

8. Was your family involved in a synagogue / temple?

My father was on the board of the temple.

9. What holidays and rituals were observed?

We celebrated Passover dinner at my mother’s sister’s (Aunt Sophie’s) house, Rosh Hashanah at
home, and for the Sabbath I went to Brith Shalom every Saturday.

10. Did you attend religious school? Were you confirmed? Bar Mitzvah?

I attended temple and was confirmed with my class until we graduated high school which no other
class had done.

11. What is your educational background? What was your career?
I spent 2 years at Vanderbilt and 2 years at the University of Louisville. I received History, Sacred
Science, and a Teaching certificate. I then taught at Southern High for 2.5 years, and when I stopped
teaching there was a great teacher increase.

12. What brought you to Louisville and when did you come?

I have always lived in Louisville. My family came here when my mother was bom.

13. How did you meet your husband/wife? Where and when were you married?
Did you have children?

I met Ronnie at Vanderbilt. I was a Frat. Project. I was dating a ZBT
Parents picked me up at end of freshman year. My mother said about Ronnie, “He’s cute.”

�I said “yuck”
When I went sophomore year I had broken up with the ZBT brother. Ronnie decided they were
going to rush the Jewish girls. I always had dates with the 2 guys. Ronnie said he was serious so I
stopped dating the other guy.
We were married on February 2, 1958 in my parents’ living room. We had a choice of big wedding
or small and cash was sparse to us.
I had two children, Elizabeth Sue (Beth) Abrams Mitchell 5/11/62 and
Marc Neil Abrams 5/19/64.

14. Tell about you involvement in the Jewish Community? Was you whole family
involved?
Club?
My mother and father active in the temple, Shriners, and Oldhum Church.
My mother was very active in NCSW but wouldn’t take presidency. When I joined she resigned.
NCJW?
15. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel?

My father’s father (my grandfather) was killed in WWI in Germany.
WWII my father was of age to be drafted but declared 47-7th and became an air raid warden. I
remember the rations and tin cans. My family had no personal involvement in Israeli wars.

16. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?

I always was devout to Judaism because of the concept of giving and responsibility to uphold
justice to make the world a better place.
As a teenager I was attentive to services. I didn’t think of spirituality. I lived through Judaism “It’s
what you do” if you are a Jew.
I was always drawn to livelihood passages, “Do Justice-love mercy. I walk humbly with thou G-d.”
There is not a day in my life that I’m not affected by choices. I can make (Jewish) it’s me!

17. What interests do you have?

My interests include family, community service, friends, and reading.

18. What are your favorite family memories?
They all deal with humor and storytelling. My father was a practical joker and my children still tell
Thelma and Ted jokes or stories.

19. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What values
would you like to pass on to those you leave behind?
My legacy is my children. Remembered for their humor and humanity.

�I want to be remembered for the small things that have affected others.
Little victories are the values that everyone should take with them.

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�Resume

MARIE K. ABRAMS
2829 Avenue of the Woods
Louisville, KY 40241
502-426-4220

CURRENT COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES

Board of Trustees, University of Louisville
Board, Jewish Council for Public Afiairs (JCPA)
Board, Southern Regional Council
Board, Center for Women and Families
United Jewish Communities (UJC), Trustee and Pillar member of HSSP (Human Services and
Social Policy)
UJC, HSSP Chair of National Agencies Committee

PAST COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES
National Vice Chair, National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC)
Co-Chair Equal Opportunity and Social Justice Task Force, NJCRAC
Race and Public Policy Ad Hoc Committee, JCPA
Chair, Social Security Task Force, Council of Jewish Federation’s Washington Action Office
Chairperson, Kentucky Commission on Women
President, National Council of Jewish Women (N.C.J.W.), Louisville Section
Member, National Board, N.C.J.W. and Vice Chair of National Affairs Committee
President, Kentucky Youth Advocates
Leadership Kentucky Class, 1986
Board, Louisville Jewish Community Federation
Chair, Women's Division, Louisville United Jewish Campaign
Chair, Community Relations Council, Jewish Community Federation
Advisory Council, Jefferson County Office for Women
Chamber of Commerce Economic Development Task Force
Louisville Public Education Committee (group of 12 people appointed by the Chamber of
Commerce to involve the business community in the direction and quality of education in our
community)
Chairman, Israel Advisory Committee of the Louisville Community Relations Council (CRC)
Governor's Task Force on Juvenile Delinquency; Chair, Subcommittee on Status Offenders
Board, Jewish Hospital
Chair, Task Force on Educational Funding, Jefferson County Public Schools
Chair, Community-wide pro- and anti-busing dialogue group appointed by mayor and county
judge to reduce tension
Chair, Title XX Coalition
White House Conference on Domestic and Economic Affairs
Board member, Louisville and Jefferson County Youth Commission

�Board member, Jewish Social Service Agency
Board member, Family and Children’s Agency
Board member, Jewish Community Center
Delegate, Democratic National Convention, 1988
Chair, Harvey Sloane Inauguration, 1982

EMPLOYMENT
Legislative Aide to Kentucky Senate Majority Office, 1982-Present, (full-time during sessions,
part-time in interim)
Associate, Schimpeler Corradino &amp; Associates, 1984-1989, an engineering and urban design firm
(coordinated projects, managed public involvement activities and served as intergovernmental
liaison)
Legislative Aide to Chairman Senate Appropriations and Revenue Committee, 1980
Administrative Assistant to Governor of Kentucky during 1972 and 1974 General Assemblies
Public School Teacher

AWARDS
Hannah G. Solomon Award, National Council of Jewish Women, Louisville Section
Lewis Cole Young Leadership Award, Jewish Community Federation
Wilson Wyatt, Sr. Award, Leadership Kentucky
National Conference Brotherhood Award
Ottenheimer Award
EDUCATION

Vanderbilt University, 1955-1957
B.A., University of Louisville, 1959 - Social Science Major

�Jewish Family &amp; Vocational Service
Louis &amp; Lee Roth Family Center
Board of Directors
Stephanie Speigel
Executive Director
Marjorie B. Kohn
President

Steven Shapiro
President Elect/Treasurer
Barbara Goldberg
David Handmaker
Lowell Katz
Robert Riley
Vice Presidents
Gail Pohn
Ex-officio President

Mitchell Charney
Jane Goldstein
Robert Levine
Howard Markus
Shirley Markus
Lillian Seligman
Jeffrey Weiss
Past Presidents
Lewis D. Cole
Alexander Erlen
Arthur Grossman
Shelton R.Weber
Honorary Directors

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
I do hereby give my permission to record my life history through the Jewish

Family and Vocational Service, 3587 Dutchmans Lane, Louisville, Kentucky
40205. My story will be kept in the JFVS library unless I choose to keep it myself.

’ark Ament
.ne Bennett
_ilyn Berman
Joan Byer
Howard L Cantor
Natalie Davis
Jonathan Dubins
Simon Fields
Phyllis Florman
Ann Friedman
Bob German
Rachel Greenberg
Debbie Hyman
Howard Kaplin
Jay Klempner
Benjamin Levitan
Chuck O'Koon
Jordan Pohn
Suzy Post
Mona Schramko
Judy Shapira
Julie Strull
Susan Waterman
Frank Weisberg

Participant

Witness

Rabbi Avrohom Litvin
Rabbi Stanley Miles
Rabbi Joe Rooks Rapport
Rabbi Gaylia R. Rooks
Rabbi Robert Slosberg
Rabbi Bradley C.Tecktiel

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Family &amp; Children's
Agencies
International Association of
Jewish Vocational Services

Accredited by
Council of Accreditation of Services
or Families and Children, Inc.

United Way

Jewish Family &amp; Vocational Service
3587 Dutchmans Lane • Louisville, Kentucky 40205 • (502) 452-6341 • Fax (502) 452-6718
E-mail: jfvs@jfvs.com • Web: www.jfvs.com

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                    <text>QUESTIONAIRE FOR ORAL HISTORIES
1.

lam _____ Ann Friedman
with______ Nancy K. Abrams
on________ February 6, 2002

, I am conducting an interview
for the JFVS archives

2. Can you tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and
when?

On my mother’s side, my great grandfather came from Scotland. My grandfather and
grandmother lived in Covington, KY but moved to Cincinnati, OH where my mother
was bom. My father was bom in Mississippi and his parents were also bom in this
country. I don’t know where my great grandparents were bom but they tleft this
country and went to Israel to die. In 1967, my husband and I went to Israel and found
their graves at Mt. Olive.
3. What were your parents’ names and where were they born?

My father, Harry Klein, was bom near Jackson, MI. My mother, Marjorie Levine
Klein, was in Cincinnati, OH.

4. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home?
Where did you live then? Who lived in the same house with you Grandparents?
Uncles/aunts?
Brothers? Sisters?

My birth date is January 16, 1938. Only English was spoken at home. We lived in the
Highlands, and I have one sister. When I was in my teens, my grandmother and
great-grandparents all came to live in our home.
5. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the
neighborhood? Did you walk to school? Sunday School? Temple? Was
there a neighborhood grocery? Drug store?

There were many Jewish families living in the Highlands, and all my relatives lived
within a two-mile radius. Out chauffer drove us to school and I was embarrassed so I
sat next to him rather than in the back with my sister. On pretty days, I walked home
with friends. When I was in high school, I would get out of the chauffeur driven car a
block from school and walk. We were always driven to Sunday school, as we had
carpools and everybody in our neighborhood had a chauffeur. When I went to
temple, it was always with my parents. We had a drug store at Bardstown Road
where we hung out. I also went to Cherokee Ice Cream every day for a chocolate ice
cream cone, even in the winter.
6. How did the 1937 flood affect you and your family?

�The flood didn’t really affect my family as we lived in an apartment at that time. My
parents had people over for meals during the flood, people who couldn’t get to their
homes.
7. If you wished to travel what kind of transportation did you use? Did you
travel when you were young? If so, where?

We drove and took the train to Cincinnati many times. We went to Florida when I
was one for six months because I was sick. Years later we drove often to Florida. I
took a train to Camp Wenonah in Maine every summer.
8. Was your family involved in a synagogue / temple?

We belonged to the temple, but were never really involved. My father was always
involved with selling bonds.
9. What holidays and rituals were observed?

Passover was the big holiday with all of the family together. We also celevrated all
the other major Jewish holidays.
10. Did you attend religious school? Were you confirmed? Bar Mitzvah?

I went to Sunday school and I was confirmed.
11. What is your educational background? What was your career?

I had one year of college in Illinois. My career was motherhood and volunteering. I
worked for the temple sisterhood, but mainly for NCJW and the UJC.
12. What brought you to Louisville and when did you come?

I was bom in Louisville.
13. How did you meet your husband/wife? Where and when were you married?
Did you have children?

My brother-in-law introduced us in Louisville in 1955, and we were married there in
1957. We have four children, Karen, Kenny, Kathy, and Keith, all with a K. We also
hace twelve wonderful grandchildren (one deceased).
14. Tell about you involvement in the Jewish Community? Was you whole family
involved?

I started out with the temple sisterhood, but mostly NCJW, which I started doing in
my early 20’s, and I was president when I was 35. then I started the candy business,
which I had for 18 years. Out children were very involved with B’nai Brith clubs and
volunteer work. Our son Kenny started a few volunteer programs that raised money
for heart disease (in high school).

�15. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel?

My family was not affected at all.
16. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?

There really were not a lot, we always had out extended family for the Jewish
Heritage, and we always felt very Jewish. I feel like our parents tried to assimilate.
Today there is a lot more with my children.
17. What interests do you have?

My interests were golf, tennis, reading, walking, bridge, and especially volunteer
work. Now I play tennis, read, walk, play bridge, and do limited volunteer work.
18. What are your favorite family memories?

Taking our four children, their spouses, and their children on family vacations early
in the summer. Raising my children was the most wonderful time of my life. Once I
was eighteen, I went to Florida every year with my parents and my sister, and we
went to school there. A bus would pick me up at the hotel. This continued through
my second year of high school. My parents took my husband and me on several trips
to Europe. My grandmother went on one. I have great memories of my aunt and
those trips. That is why my husband and I now take our children and grandchildren,
so that we may always be close to family.
19. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What values
would you like to pass on to those you leave behind?

I would like my children to be good, caring parents, which they are. They have more
religion in their life, which pleases me greatly. They are very caring, loving, and
thoughtful people. They do lots of volunteer work and we see, in their own way, they
are trying to make out world a better place.
I feel like I have passed these values on to them. I really did something right. That is
how I would like to be remembered, a good parent, grandparent, and friend.
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�TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
I do hereby give my permission to record my life history through the Jewish

Family and Vocational Service, 3587 Dutchmans Lane, Louisville, Kentucky
40205. My story will be kept in the JFVS Library and can be accessed by
interested people. It will be preserved archivally for future generations.

Participant

Witness

Date Signed

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                    <text>QUESTIONAIRE FOR ORAL HISTORIES
1. lam
with
on

Robert Friedman
, I am conducting an interview
Ronald Abrams
for the JFVS archives
October 2, 2001.

2. Can you tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and
when?
My mother and her father came to the United States when she was six months old.
She was bom in Minsk, Russia or on the ship. She never knew her birthday, date, just
the year of 1901. My dad was bom in the United States in New York in 1849. His
father, from Lithuania came over in the 1880’s.

3. What were your parents’ names and where were they born?
My mother, Dorothy Peterman Abromovitz Giller, was bom April 5, 1901 and died
February 5, 1987. My father, Benjamin Abromovitz, was bom February 5, 1894 and
died May 18, 1967. My name was always Abrams.

4. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home?
Where did you live then? Who lived in the same house with you Grandparents?
Uncles/aunts?
Brothers? Sisters?
I was bom June 22, 1936. The languages spoken in my home were English and some
Yiddish. My grandfather lived with us until I was 5 at which point he died. We lived
in the same apartment until my mother died. My sister also lived there. She was 13
when I was bom, so she was only home for summers.

5. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the
neighborhood? Did you walk to school? Sunday School? Temple? Was
there a neighborhood grocery? Drug store?
We lived in the upper west side of Manhattan, at 85 and West End Avenue. There
were primarily Jewish families. I never though about being Jewish. I did not know in
grade school or high school if my friends were Jewish or not. I went to high school in
the Bronx. I went to Bronx High School of Science, a college prep high school. I
walked to grade school and junior high. I took the subway to high school. There were
several grocery stores and drug stores. We lived a block away from Broadway and I
would go to Riverside Park.

6. How did the 1937 flood affect you and your family?
Not asked on this interview.

7. If you wished to travel what kind of transportation did you use? Did you
travel when you were young? If so, where?

�I went camp every summer in Connecticut and up state New York for two months.
There was one time I went to California by train with my family. We also went to
Long Island to visit family. We went by car, and never flew.

8. Was your family involved in a synagogue / temple?
No, but we were involved in Hebrew Kindergarten and Infants Home. My father
founded it.

9. What holidays and rituals were observed?
We did not observe holidays and rituals.

10. Did you attend religious school? Were you confirmed? Bar Mitzvah?
I attended Sunday school for 3 years. I was Bar Mitzvahed but never learned Hebrew.
We were never members of a congregation and I had no formal education. My firs
Seder was in school at Vanderbilt University.

11.What is your educational background? What was your career?
I received a BA in business from Vanderbilt University. I then went to Coopers and
Lybrand as an accountant. I then spent 41 years at Yeager, Ford, and Warren. I am
now retired, but I’m still involved with assisting start up companies. (Please see
attached sheet.)

12. What brought you to Louisville and when did you come?
Marie, because we were dating, and my business, brought me to Louisville. I was
going to school at Vanderbilt University and came for a holiday weekend. While I
was here inn Louisville, I talked to a CPA who said to graduate and get a CPA
degree.

13. How did you meet your husband/wife? Where and when were you married?
Did you have children?
I met Marie at Vanderbilt.She was a Frat. Project. She was dating a ZBT
When I went sophomore year she had broken up with the ZBT brother. I decided they were going to
rush the Jewish girls. She always had dates with the 2 guys. I said I was serious so she stopped
dating the other guy.
We were married on February 2, 1958 in her parents’ living room. We had a choice of big wedding
or small and cash was sparse to us.

I had two children, Elizabeth Sue (Beth) Abrams Mitchell 5/11/62 and
Marc Neil Abrams 5/19/64.

14. Tell about you involvement in the Jewish Community? Was you whole family
involved?

�My mother and father active in the temple, Shriners, and Oldhum Church.
My mother was very active in NCSW but wouldn’t take presidency. When I joined she resigned.

15. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel?
My brother-in-law was in the navy during WWII. My family was not affected by the
wars in Israel.

16. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?
I have no real spiritual memories in the religious sense. Family has made the
difference. The march on Washington-Soviet Jewry. I believe in what we do here.
Marie taught me how to be Jewish.

17. What interests do you have?
The community, golf, and travel are my interests. Another interest of mine is to help
young people start their business, not in a tax related way, but to help them raise
money.

18. What are your favorite family memories?
Trips before 1976. The 200th anniversary in 1975. The Seder where we took from two
books (we would have other people over and Marie planned the service).

19. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What values
would you like to pass on to those you leave behind?
My legacy is community and general involvement. Our children are heavily involved
in the community, which is a lovely change for us. Beth is involved in NCSW. I tried
to do a good job in the community.
JFVS/aj 10/17/02
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�Louis &amp; Lee Roth Family Center
Board of Directors

Stephanie Speigel
Executive Director

Marjorie B. Kohn
President
Steven Shapiro
President Elect/Treasurer

Barbara Goldberg
David Handmaker
Lowell Katz
Robert Riley
Vice Presidents

Gail Pohn
Ex-officio President
Mitchell Charney
jane Goldstein
Robert Levine
Howard Markus
Shirley Markus
Lillian Seligman
Jeffrey Weiss
Past Presidents

Lewis D. Cole
Alexander Erlen
Arthur Grossman
Shelton R.Weber
Honorary Directors

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
I do hereby give my permission to record my life history through the Jewish

Family and Vocational Service, 3587 Dutchmans Lane, Louisville, Kentucky
40205. My story will be kept in the JFVS library unless I choose to keep it myself.

Mark Ament
'&gt;iane Bennett
Jlyn Berman
Joan Byer
Howard L. Cantor
Natalie Davis
Jonathan Dubins
Simon Fields
Phyllis Florman
Ann Friedman
Bob German
Rachel Greenberg
Debbie Hyman
Howard Kaplin
Jay Klempner
Benjamin Levitan
Chuck O'Koon
Jordan Pohn
Suzy Post
Mona Schramko
Judy Shapira
Julie Strull
Susan Waterman
Frank Weisberg
Rabbi Avrohom Litvin
Rabbi Stanley Miles
Rabbi Joe Rooks Rapport
Rabbi Gaylia R. Rooks
Rabbi Robert Slosberg
Rabbi Bradley C.Tecktiel

Date Signed

JFVS/aj 5/14/01
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Association of Jewish
Family &amp; Children's
Agepcies
International Association of
Jewish Vocational Services

Accredited by
Council of Accreditation of Services
for Families and Children. Inc.

Jewish Family &amp; Vocational Service
3587 Dutchmans Lane ■ Louisville, Kentucky 40205 • (502) 452-6341 • Fax (502) 452-6718
E-mail: jfvs@jfvs.com • Web: www.jfvs.com

�BIOGRAPHY
RONALD W. ABRAMS

EDUCATION
1950- 1953
1953 - 1957
1957- 1958

Bronx High School of Science
B.A., Vanderbilt University
University of Louisville

EMPLOYMENT

1957 - Present
1971 - Present
1977 - 1990
1990 - 1994
1994 - 1997
1998-1999
20012001-

Coopers &amp; Lybrand, Louisville, Kentucky
(or its predecessor)
Partner
Partner in Charge of Taxes
Executive Tax Partner
Tax Market Leader
Viperlink, International, CFO, Director
T eledvance,LLC-Director
Monty’s Plant Food-Director

COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES
Adath Israel B’rith Sholom (B’rith Sholom)
Treasurer
1967 - 1969
1969- 1971
Secretary
1971 - 1973
Second Vice President
1973 - 1975
First Vice President
1975 - 1977
President
1977-Present
Board Member
Jewish Community Federation
1974 - Present
Board Member
1973 - Present
Campaign - UJC
1977 - 1980
Chairman Community Relations Council
1982
Chairman Group &amp; Social Services Subcommittee,
Planning &amp; Budgeting Committee
1982 - Present
Endowment Fund
1983 - 1986
Treasurer
1986 - 1988
Vice President
1986
Co-Chairman of United Jewish Campaign
1988 - 1991
President
1991 - Present
Executive Committee

�1997 - Present

Chair, Foundation

�Metro United Way
1987
Portfolio Chairman
1991
Leadership Circle Chairman
1991 - 1995
Nominating Committee
1994
Endowment Committee
1994
Allen Society- Volunteer of the Year
1995 - Present
Resource Development Cabinet
1997 - Present
Board of Directors
Louisville Chamber of Commerce Activities
Economic Development Steering Committee Targeted Marketing Subcommittee Chairman
Occupational Tax Task Force
Entrepreneurial Conference
Chairman, Tax Legislative Policy Subcommittee
Government Affairs Committee
OTHER
1971 - 1974
1973
1973
1968
1969 - 1971
1971 - 1973
1974

1974- 1982
1978 - 1979
1973 - 1975
1969- 1971

1974
1976- 1978

1976 - 1978
1981 - 1982

Community Action Committee, Louisville and Jefferson County
Council on Religion and Race Board
Bureau of Jewish Education Board
B'nai Brith - Treasurer
Actors Theatre Board Member
Standard Country Club Board Member - Treasurer
Young Leadership Award, Jewish Community Federation
National Conference of Christians &amp; Jews:
Board Member
Co-Chairman
Member, Legislation Advisory Committee Kentucky Society of CPA's
Chairman, Federal Taxation Committee Kentucky Society of CPA's
Treasurer, Vote Yes for Transit Committee
Governor's Economic Development Committee,
Task Force-on Finance
Board Member, Midwest Council, Union of
American Hebrew Congregations
Leadership Louisville, Louisville Chamber of Commerce

National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council
/
Jewish Council for Public Affairs
1982 - 1986
Church State Commission
1982 - Present
Equal Opportunity and Social Justice Task Force
1995
Chair, Budget and Finance Committee
1996- 2000
Treasurer
2000- Present

Executive Com

�1979- 1983
1984- 1990
1990 - Present
1987- 1993
1994- 1996
1989 - Present
1991 - 1993
1992
1994- 1996

Urban League - Board Member
Jewish Hospital Board
Jewish Hospital Healthcare Systems Board
Fifteen Telecommunications (Public TV station):
Chairman and Board Member, Finance Committee
Chairman, Team One subsidiary board
Regional Cancer Center Corporation Board Member
Midwest United Jewish Appeal Major Gifts Committee
Person of the Year - B’nai Brith
Council on Peacemaking - Board Member

Council of Jewish Federations - (National)
1991 - 1993
Board Member
1993 - 1996
Vice Chairman, Community Budgeting Council
1997
National Funding Council, Executive Committee
1995 - 1997
Strategic Planning Steering Committee
1995 - 1997 1998 - Present
Task Force on Soviet Jewry AdvocacyBoard Member

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                    <text>QUESTIONAIRE FOR ORAL HISTORIES
I am

Gay Adelstein- Rapley, I am conducting an interview with: Ida Sontzfor the JFCS
archives on
June 2010 .

1. Tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and when?
Mrs. Sontz’s parents, Alex Goldberg and her mother, Bertha Rosen Goldberg met in Russia,
moved to Mississippi and opened a dry goods store. The immigrated there before the big
Mississippi flood.

2. Tell me about your parents - their names and where were they bom?

They were both born in Russia, Alex Goldberg and Bertha Rosen Goldberg.
3. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home?
Ida Sontz was born in 1923 in Mississippi. Her parents spoke Russian when they didn’t want the
children to understand what was being said; otherwise English was spoken in her home.
4. Where did you live as a child? Who Hived in the same house with your Grandparents?
Uncles/Aunts?
Brothers? Sisters?
At first they lived in Sumner, Mississippi and then moved to Inverness. Mississippi. Only the
immediate family lived together. One grandmother had to stay in Russia because she had
jlaucoma.

5. What brought you or your family to Louisville, Kentucky and when did you come?
6. What was your neighborhood Bike? Were there other Jews living in the neighborhood? Did
you walk to school? Sunday school? Synagogue/Temple? Was there a neighborhood
grocery? Drug store?

In Mississippi they lived in small towns with only 6 or 7 other Jewish families, but she
neverencountered discrimination. They had friends in all groups. They walked to school, but since
there was no synagogue, a lady named Sweetie Cohen drove them every Sunday to a Jewish School
about 10 miles away. In their towns, there were several food and drug stores and a
larger town
was about 40 miles away.
7. Bf you or your family lived in Louisville at the time - how did the 1937 flood affect you and your
loved ones?

Mrs. Sontz’s immediate family was not effected by the flood, but her father was concerned
his rental properties.

about

8. Iff you wished to travel within the city limits what kind of transportation did you use? Did you
travel out of town when you were young? What kind of transportation did you use when you
raveled out of town? And if so, where did you go? What special memories do you have of
those trips?
In Mississippi, the family walked and drove places. Sometimes they would drive to Louisville to visit
family and would go to the Lerner Auction House. It was very exciting being in such a large city.

�9. Was your family involved in a synagogue/temple?

n Mississippi, there was 1 shul and 1 synagogue 40 miles away. On major holidays, her
who was raised Orthodox, closed his store and went to shul.

father,

HO.What holidays and rituals were observed in your family? Do you have any significant
memories surrounding Jewish celebrations and what was special about those occasions?

Her family kept Kosher and celebrated the Sabbath, but did not have Seders or do any other
celebrations.
11. Did you attend religious school? Were you confirmed? Did you have a Bar Mitzvah? What are
your memories from that time? Are you still in touch with some of the people that attended
Sunday School with you?
Mrs. Sontz did attend Sunday School in Mississippi but was not confirmed and did not have a Bat
Mitzvah. She kept in touch with one friend from Sunday School until 2 years ago when the
friend
died.

12. What is your educational background? What was your career? Who or what influenced you to
choose your career?
Mrs. Sontz went to Bowling Green College, a business school for 1 year, her sister, Ann, who was
like a second mother to her, married and moved to Memphis, Tennessee so Mrs. Sontz followed her
thee. While in Memphis, Mrs. Sontz worked in an office.
Io. How did you meet your husband/wife? Where and when were you married? Do you have
children? Grandchildren?

Mrs. Sontz met her husband while living in Memphis. He was in the Army and there werweekend
get-togethers for service men. They were married in Louisville at the Kentucky Hotel.
Their
children: Michael A. Sontz, a dentist and Rosalin S. Friedman, a retired teacher. Her grandaughter,
Pamela Sontz had a 4 year scholarship to III, and is now in Pasadena
Polytechnic in chemistry.

14. Discuss your involvement in the Jewish Community outside of your temple or synagogue
when you were growing up.
Mrs. Sontz is a member of Adath Jeshurun, but does not go to services very often.

15. What was your involvement in the non- Jewish community? Did you witness any antiSemitism living in Louisville?
Mrs. Sontz has not suffered any discrimination. Where she lives now, in a condo in St. Mathews,
she has some wonderful neighbors who look after her. In particular, a retired priest
(possibly
Episcopalian) and his wife. Also another neighbor - an African American man who
also helps
her quite often.

' low was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel?
11. Her family was not affected by wars. Her husband was in the Army, but the war ended before he
had to go overseas.

�18. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?
Her father taught her basic values - to be honest and to be reasonable. “You may be poor but you
nust still be honest.”
19. What interests or hobbies did you have when you were young and what are they now?

When Mrs. Sontz was young her hobbies were driving, movies, reading and shopping. Now, these
hobbies are hard to do since she has developed Glaucoma.
20. What are your favorite family memories - whether it was with your family of origin, or your
extended family and friends?

Mrs. Sontz has no bad memories. She had a loving family who spoiled her (her father bought her a
car and a fur coat) and she had a loving and helpful husband (he always did the dishes)
who
always took good care of her. One funny memory of her granddaughter, Pamela - a friend
came
over while Pamela was thee and said “Hello Phil” to her husband, and Pamela said,
“That’s not
Phil, that’s Zayde!”
21. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What values would you like to
pass on to those you leave behind?

The values Mrs. Sontz would like to pass on are being hones, considerate and appreciative, and
she would like to be remembered as a woman who has appreciated her good luck and is grateful for
all the good things that happened to her.

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                    <text>QUESTIONAIRE FOR ORAL HISTORIES

am

Gay Adelstein,I am conducting an interview with: Julian “Pinky”

Shapiro

for the JFCS archives in Dec. 2011 .
1. Tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and when? How
did they travel?
Julian’s father, Ben Shapero, was born in Lithuania and came to Louisville when he was four.
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2. Tell me about your parents - their names and where were they born? Have there
been other family names used in the past? Where, when, and why was it changed?

Mother: Minnie Weber, born 1898; father: Benjamin Shaperio, born 1896. No other names

used.
3. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home?

Julian was born in 1930. English was spoken at home; occasionally his parents spoke
Yiddish if they didn’t want Julian to understand them.
4. Where did you live as a child? Who lived in the same house with you Grandparents? Uncles/Aunts?
Brothers? Sisters?
Julian’s sister Shirley and a maid lived with Julian and his parents. He never knew his
father’s parents as they had died before he was born. They owned a butcher shop which his
grandmother ran while his grandfather spent his day at the Orthodox synagogue. His
grandfather had a blind horse that was able to get around by following the streetcar tracks.
5. What brought you or your family to Louisville, Kentucky and when did you come?
How did they travel? Did they share any unusual experiences with you?

Julian doesn’t know what brought his family to Louisville. No experiences shared.
6. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the
neighborhood? Did you walk to school? Sunday school? Synagogue/Temple?
What kind of shops were in your neighborhood?

On Douglass Blvd, there were lots of Jewish kids and many vacant lots so every day was like
instant camp. Many of them, such as Phil Levy, Jimmy Roth, Malcolm Fine, and Jimmy Saag
are still friends. On nearby Bardstown Road were many shops: Kerr’s Butcher Shop,
Dattilo’s vegetables, Heitzman’s bakery, and Piggly Wiggly to name a few, and at the loop the
streetcar turned around. The kids all walked to Belknap elementary. Julian went to Sunday
School and had his Bar Mitzvah at Adath Jeshurun. Later, when Julian and his friends went
to Male High School, after school they went to the YMHA for all the clubs that were offered.
7. If you or your family lived in Louisville at the time - how did the 1937 flood affect
you and your loved ones?

�In the west end of Louisville the flood water took out houses, people were found on the roofs,
and downtown the sewers backed up. The Highlands was not underwater, so some people
(whom Julian did not know) lived in their basement for a while. Julian’s father owned Ben
Snyder’s, and on the return to Louisville from one of his buying trips to N.Y. he asked a
redcap for a taxi and was told he was on an island. Ben Snyder’s gave out many sheets and
blankets to the Red Cross.

8. If you wished to travel within the city limits what kind of transportation did you use?
Did you travel out of town when you were young? What kind of transportation did
you use when you traveled out of town? And if so, where did you go? What special
memories do you have of those trips?

Around town, Julian and his friends took the bus. When they went to Cincinnati to visit
relatives, they went by train, leaving from the Baxter Avenue Station. Sometimes the family
drove, but his father often flew on Eastern or American Airlines for buying trips to New York,
leaving from Bowman Field, the only airport at the time. On hot days people would go out to
Bowman Field to watch the planes land and take off. Sometimes Julian and family would go
to Buechel’s restaurant to eat fried chicken.
9. Was your family involved in a synagogue/temple? Were your parents or other family
members religious?
Julian’s grandparents were Orthodox, but his parents belonged to Adath Jeshrun. However,
they were not very involved with the synagogue. They did have seders, but didn’t light
Sabbath candles. Julian has no memories of this
10. What holidays and rituals were observed in your family? Do you have any
significant memories surrounding Jewish celebrations and what was special about
those occasions?

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11. Did you attend Sunday School or other religious schools? Were you confirmed?
Did you have a Bar/Bat Mitzvah? What are your memories from that time? Are you
still in touch with some of the people that attended Sunday School with you?

Julian was not confirmed but did go to Sunday school, had a Hebrew teacher, and had a Bar
Mitzvah at Adath.Jeshrun. There was very little in the way of Bar Mitzvah parties in those
days, but his parents had a party for their own friends. Julian is still in touch with friends from
that time.
12. What is your educational background? What was your occupation? Who or what
influenced you to choose your career? What kind of preparation or training was
required for your career?

Julian got his BA in business from the University of Missouri. He did some graduate work, but
got his real training and his career from working at Ben Snyder’s. As the store expanded, it
became Snyder’s. At first, it was a cash and carry store, but later that image changed. The
whole family worked there, and Ben Snyder would give any Jewish person a job.

�13. How did you meet your mate? At what point did you realize that this was the one
you wanted to marry? Where and when were you married? Do you have children?
Grandchildren?

Julian met his wife, Lois, when her uncle fixed them up as a blind date. She had been living
in Muncie, Indiana, but moved back to Louisville where her mother’s family was. They met in
March and were married in November, 1958 by a Reform Rabbi at the Standard Country
Club, as Lois was Reform. Their children went to the Reform Temple on Third Street. Julian
and Lois have been married 53 years, have three daughters and six grandchildren: Vicky who
has Nathan, 19 and Alissa, 18 (living in Louisville), Leslie who has Samantha, 13 and Carly,
10 (living in Pennsylvania); and Amy who has Megan, 11 and Leah, 9 (living in Florida).

14. /15. Discuss your involvement in the Jewish Community outside of your temple or
synagogue when you were growing up.
Julian’s entire involvement was in the Jewish community. He got his nickname “Pinky” at a
Jewish YMHA camp because his face got very pink when he played baseball. In Louisville he
played baseball with non-Jews but they were just acquaintances, not real friends. Because of
this total Jewish involvement, he never witnessed any anti-Semitism.

15. What was your involvement in the non- Jewish community? Did you witness any
anti-Semitism living in Louisville? If so, how was this incident handled?
16. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel? Pearl Harbor?
What are your earliest recollections when thinking about major events in history?
Julian’s father was in the Navy in WWI, and Julian was in the Air Force in the Korean war.
One of Lois’s uncles was a POW. Many cousins were in wars but there were no deaths.
Julian remembers rationing and victory gardens. Snyder’s had a big hosiery business, and
when Neville Hosiery would send Snyder’s 100 dozen silk stockings, the line would go down
the street. Because of the store, Julian and family weren’t affected by rationing except for
gas.
17. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?
No read spiritual memories. Julian’s father did tell him that on Yom Kippur there are certain
very important prayers, such as Alvida Makenu, so Julian has said the same thing to his own
children and grandchildren.

18. What interests or hobbies did you have when you were young and what are they
now? What schools did you attend and are there any memories that stand out from
that time in your life?
As a kid, Julian played sports, built model airplanes, played Monopoly, and went to the
movies at the Uptown every Saturday. Now he plays tennis and does volunteer work. He
has been on the board of Jewish Hospital for forty years and has been Chairman of the
Board. He started Dare to Care barrels at Kroger’s, goes once a month to fill bags for Dare to
Care, and worked for United Way and Coalition for the Homeless.

�19. What are your favorite family memories - whether it was with your family of origin,
or your extended family and friends?

A favorite family memory as a child was going to visit grandfather and Aunt Lee. As an adult,
he and Lois would rent a house at Sea Pines at Hilton Head so all the kids from the various
families could get to know each other.

20. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What message do
you want to leave for your children and future generations?

Julian’s message is a paraphrase from a quote: “When I was born I did not find this earth
treeless, so I will plant seeds as my father planted for me and as I have planted for my
children.”

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                    <text>QUESTIONAIRE FOR ORAL HISTORY
I am Gay Adelstein-Rapley, conducting an interview with Milton Russman for the JFCS archives
during the Fall of 2010.
1. Tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and when?
Milton Russman’s father’s family came from a province in Kiev. His grandmother came from Lithuania.
No one knows how they met. His great-grandmother was a widow with one child. Her name was Clara
Russman and she married Max Zeronsky, a peddler. Her son Rubin took the Zeronsky name until he
married and then he changed his name to Russman and Max Zeronsky disowned him for a short while.
Max and 4 others moved to Madison, IN, and even though they were Jewish, they were allowed to stay
because they were white.
2. Tell me about your parents - their names and where they were bom.
Milton Russman’s father, Hyman was born in the Louisville, KY. and his mother Sara came from AustriaHungary in 1920. Her oldest brother came here to avoid the draft, and although she had wanted to go to
Palestine, he sponsored her to come here. Her father had died when she was young. She and her sister
used the name Pilple instead of her brother’s name, Lampach, so consequently, there were immigration
problems, and she had to use the name Lampach in order to get a passport.

3. What is your birth date? What languages were spoken in you home?
Milton Russman was born on June 6, 1916. His parents spoke Yiddish when they didn’t want the children
to know what was being said. His mother wrote in Yiddish but used English script.
4. Where did you live as a child? Who lived in the same house with you - Grandparents?
Uncles/Aunts? Brothers? Sisters?
As a child, Milton Russman lived at 600 East Chestnut Street with his older sister and younger twin
brothers, and parents.
5. What brought you and your family to Louisville, Kentucky and when did you come?
Milton Russman’s grandfather Rubin, a master plumber and a Republican, lived in Madison, IN. Rubin
Russman always considered Madison, In. his home town, which he visited many times. No one knows
why or when they moved to Louisville. However, besides Hyman (Mr. Russman’s father), Rubin
produced nine more children, five boys and five girls total.
6. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the neighborhood? Did you
walk to school? Sunday school? Synagogue/Temple? Was there a neighborhood grocery? Drug
Store?
The Louisville neighborhood was comprised mainly of Catholics and Jews. There was a grocery store
and a saloon on every corner but the Jews didn’t go to the saloons. There was no outward anti-Semitism.
In the 1930s, his doctor told Milton Russman’s mother that Milton should eat a bacon sandwich every
day, in order to regain his strength, following an operation. His Catholics neighbors fed him, but he only
did this for 1 week. Mr. Russman went to Hebrew School and then studied with Rebbe Star for 6 years.
He lived in the middle of a neighborhood with three Catholic churches. The family attended Keneseth
Israel.

�7. Ilf you or your family lived! in Louisviile at the time - how did the 1937 flood affect you and your
oved ones?
Mr. Russman’s family was wiped out by the flood. They had 4 feet of water in their house and water was
pouring out of Beargrass Creek onto Broadway. When school was over that day, his sister, who was
attending Eastern Junior High School at that time, wasn’t able use Broadway so she had to circle around
to get home. Sunday morning a neighbor came to warn them; the water was in front of their house.
Another neighbor, a black family, in fact the only black family in the neighborhood, offered them refuge
on a second floor. Jerry Abramson’s grandmother and Mr. Russman’s father were brother and sister, so
his family stayed with them on the second floor on Preston Street, over the grocery store. About 19-20
people were there at that time. They arrived on a Sunday; and on Tuesday afternoon they were told to
leave. There was so much oil in the water that if it were set afire the whole city would burn. A boat came
to rescue them to take them to the Highlands. The children were put into a boat but it wouldn’t move. It
was on top of a car. The car was smashed by the weight of the boat and they were able to travel up
Broadway, to the Highlands, but first had to go to Concordia Lutheran Church to get a typhoid shot.
Families divided up. Blacks were housed in the Uptown Theatre. Milton Russman’s girl cousins were
shipped to Detroit by bus, but his family stayed here. Mr. Russman and Leon Waldman had to share one
army cot. Younger men volunteered to go to the west end to rescue people wherever they were needed.
8. If you wished to travel within the city limits what kind of transportation did you use? Did you
travel out of town when you were young? What kind of transportation did you use when you
traveled out of town? And if so, where die you go? What special memories do you have of those
trips?
Streetcars were used in town and trains, cars and buses were used to go out of town. Most Jews had
'ars mainly for business. Mr. Russman’s family rarely traveled, but his father with Mrs. Abramson
(siblings) went to Toledo for a short visit to see their sister. His family called this trip “an excursion”.

9. Was your family involved in a Synagogue/Temple?
His family was involved at Keneseth Israel. In 1926, 2 congregations (Benet Jacob and Beth Midrash
Agadol) had merged to form Keneseth Israel.
10. What holidays and rituals were observered in your family? Do you have any significant
memories surrounding Jewish celebrations and what was special about those occasions?
Mr. Russman has many memories of family members visiting from Detroit. The family there had 3 sons
and their father convinced them that Louisville was full of Indians and had only 1 stoplight.

11. Did you attend religious school? Were you confirmed? Did you have a Bar Mitzvah? What are
your memories from that time in your life? Are you still in touch with some of the people that
attended Sunday School with you?
Milton Russman was Bar Mitzvahed but did not have a confirmation ceremony, as that was only done in
Reform congregations. He doesn’t socialize with friends from that time, but bumps into them
occasionally. He does, however, see his first girlfriend at the JCC.
12. What is your educational background? What was your career? Who or what influenced you to
choose your career?
As a child, Mr. Russman always thought he would become a teacher. He attended George W. Morris
School and Male High School. Mr. Russman earned a Bachelors degree from University of Louisville, but

�also went to Bank Street College on a fellowship. He received his masters from U of L but also studied at
the Indiana University. He has 65 hours towards a Doctorate but was married with a child and as the
Doctorate required a residency, he wasn’t able to consider that. During his employment with the
Louisville School System he became the Principal of a variety of schools including: California
Elementary, Dan C. Byck Elementary, Gaven Cochran Elementary School, Steven Foster Elementary
School, JB Atkinson Elementary, Stoddard Elementary, Roosevelt Elementary School, James Bond
Elementary, and Salisbury Elementary. At one point, it was his job to bring together the faculties of
Salisbury and James Bond to form Dan C. Byck Elementary. On 3 different occasions, Mr. Russman was
Principal of 2 schools at the same time, while the school system was waiting for another employee to
become certified. His last school was Bloom Elementary School -but he was also principal at Hawthorn
Elementary School at the same time, for 1 year. He taught for 32 years, was a principal for 21 years and
also taught summer sessions at U of L, Nazareth College, which is now Spalding University and Indiana
University Southeast, where he taught Judaism in the Humanities Department.
Within the Jewish community, Mr. Russman served as Principal of Keneseth Israel’s and Brith Shalom’s
Sunday Schools. He also taught at the Jewish Day School, the Hebrew School and also served as a
teacher with the Melton program.
13. How did you meet your husband/wife? Where and when were you married? Do you have
children? Grandchildren?
Most Jewish families lived downtown, and his then wife-to-be and his sister were good friends. He and
his wife, Annette, were married at Keneseth Israel in June of 1952. They have 2 sons and 2
grandchildren. Their sons live in Canton, Mass, and New York City.

14. Discuss your involvement in the Jewish community outside of your Temple/Synagogue.
Besides being active at his synagogue, Mr. Russman attended and participated at the Young Men
Hebrew Association (YMHA). His parents couldn’t pay for this so he couldn’t officially join the clubs
associated with it, but less fortunate kids were allowed to attend. He also was a member of Young
Judea, where he studied about Palestine (at that time only Jews were Palestinians) and he carried
Jewish National Fund (the blue box) boxes around the neighborhood to collect money for social action
issues such as buying land in Palestine (now Israel) and planting trees there.
15. What was your involvement in the non-Jewish community? Did you witness any antiSemitism living in Louisville?
He was not involved with the non-Jewish community socially, because there wasn’t a lot of social mixing
in those days, and never encountered any direct anti-Semitism, except for situations that might have
been considered to be subtle, but could never be proven.

16. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel?
His mother’s remaining family was all killed in the Holocaust except for 1 cousin, David Pilple, who may
have been drafted into the Russian Army. Mr. Russman’s mother had sent the cousin money to get him
out of Poland and into Israel. But by that time he had met a Catholic girl and wanted to marry her, so he
was unable to go to Israel. The money was returned to Mrs. Russman - which was quite surprising. He
stayed in Poland, but in 1967 (a Pogrom occurred) was able to get to Sweden and he raised his daughter
Catholic specifically so she wouldn’t have to go through what he did earlier in his life.
However, when David Pilple died, his tombstone was written in Hebrew.

�Regarding the wars in Israel: His family had friends in Israel with the same name, but they were no
■elation.
17. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?
Religion has always been a part of his background, a part of his being.

18. What interests or hobbies did you have when you were young and what are they now?
Interests when he was younger: Mr. Russman enjoyed stamp collecting, hanging out with friends, going
to baseball games where he could get in at no charge. School was very important - he attended Eastern
Junior High and Male High School - and he worked in his father’s store. He remembers cutting pork
chops when he was 8 years old and had to use both hands to hold the cleaver. T-bone steaks were 39
cents a pound - very expensive at that time, so he couldn’t cut those in case he made a mistake. Now,
he would like to spend more of his time reading but cannot due to his eyesight. He uses talking books but
they aren’t the same as reading. He also spends much of his time visiting his wife, who is currently in a
nursing home.
19. What are your favorite family memories - whether it was with your family of origin, or your
extended family and friends?
His happiest family memories are of the day he got married and the days his sons were born. One of his
worst memories is of the 1937 flood; he was only 11 years old and was very scared of what was
happening to them. It was the first time he saw his mother cry.

20. What is your legacy? How would you want to be remembered? What values would you like to
pass on to those you leave behind?
Mr. Russman would like to be remembered as someone who was honest - “My word is my bond” - and
as a good Jew.

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�Milton Z. Russman, 87, passed away peacefully, Sunday, March 16, 2014.
He was bom in Louisville, June 16, 1926 to the late Hyman and Sarah
Russman. He was a graduate of Male High School and the University of
Louisville. Milton was an elementary school principal, president of the
Louisville Education Association and a life-long learner, who retired after
30 years of service to the Louisville public schools. He was a proud
member of Keneseth Israel Congregation, an Army veteran of WWII and a
Mason of 62 years with Abraham Lodge #8 F&amp;AM.

He was a devoted husband for 60 years to the late Annette Brenner
Russman.

He is survived by his children, Marc Russman (Elyse) of Canton, MA and
Eliot Russman; grandchildren, Hayley Russman of New York, NY and
Adam Russman of Boston, MA; brothers, Scherrill Russman (Barbara) and
Dr. Raymond Russman (Carolyn); and many special nieces and nephews.

He resided at Belmont Village, a personal care community in St. Matthews,
for the past three years, where he leaves many warm friends and caring
staff.
Funeral services will be 2:00 p.m. Monday, March 17, 2014 at Herman
Meyer &amp; Son, 1338 Ellison Avenue with burial to follow in Keneseth Israel
Cemetery. Visitation will be after 1:00 p.m. Expressions of sympathy may
be made in his memory to the Kahn Kiddush Fund at Keneseth Israel
Congregation, 2531 Taylorsville Road, Louisville, KY 40205.

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Gay Adelstein
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Sonia Cohen Levine

Sonia Cohen Levine’s mother, Mayme (Mae) Goldberg Cohen, was born in Louisville in 1904 and
lived here until her death at 96. Her father and mother, Lazzar and Sara Reva Goldberg, started a shoe

store, one of the first of its kind selling factory rejects and used shoes, near Preston and Market Streets. It

later became Schlosserg’s shoes when taken over by Mae’s sister Edith and her husband, Isadora

Schlossberg, the long-time cantor of Congregation Adath Jeshuran. Mae’s brother, Sam Goldberg,

established G &amp; K Army Goods store with cousin Julius Kaplan that is still in existence today at 639 W.
Main Street.

Mae graduated from Normal school and began teaching at George Rogers Clark elementary school,

driving her first car up the steep hill near Barrett Avenue.
In 1931 she married Herman Cohen who lived above her family at 515 East Chestnut. He was the
s^n of Rabbi Benjamin Cohen, the rabbi for several years at Anshei Sfard Synagogue. Herman graduated

in 1929 from Jefferson School of Law. Besides practicing general law, he was the attorney for several

labor unions, including the Kentucky Building and Trades Union, establishing by case law some of the first
workman’s compensation laws in Kentucky. His law office in the Republic Building later became Isenberg

Sales and Segal after his early death.

Mae was very active at the YMHA, appearing in various plays and where she taught English to
many of Louisville’s World War II refugees.

After her husband’s death she returned to teaching, earning a BS in Education at the U of Louisville,
in 1960 and teaching 5th grade at Stephen Foster Elementary School in the West End for eleven years.

Mae kept kosher until she was older. Then she was not so strict but still didn’t eat pork or shellfish
in her home.

Sonia’s paternal grandfather, Rabbi Benjamin Cohen, was an Orthodox rabbi at the age of 28 in

Bellingham, Washington, and his wife, Bertha, who was active in the Jewish chapter of the Red Cross.
From there they went to El Paso, Texas and Tucson, Arizona, and then in 1928 he came to Louisville as

�the rabbi at Anshei Sfard Synagogue. He had been a professor in Iowa of Old Testament Language and
Literature and later got his Ph.D. at the Southern Baptist Seminary in Louisville.
Sonia Fay Cohen was born in Louisville in the west end, but spent most of her young life on Eastern

Parkway and Burnett along with her parents and her sister, Bonnie Jay Cohen. Manny Meyers (owned a
funeral home) lived next door, and later Ray and Blema Baer lived there. Sonia walked to Emerson

Elementary School, and although no other Jewish children were there, she did not experience any anti-

Semitism. In fact, she often went to Christian friends’ homes to celebrate Christmas.

Her parents were educated people and expected a lot from her academically, and though her

mother was over-protective, she was allowed in fifth grade to take the bus and a streetcar by herself to go

to the YMHA. Although her parents were Conservative, they were not strictly observant Jews but they did
keep kosher, and on high holidays they went to relatives on Brook Street so they could walk to shui (Adath
Jeshuran). The ideas of the worth of each human being and of justice for all were most important in their
lives. Sonia went to Sunday school at A.J. and was confirmed, but when her parents sent her to Hebrew

tool, she hated it and quit after two weeks. She still is friendly with Jean Trager, Frankie Gordon, Belle

Levy and others whom she met in Sunday school.

In sixth grade Sonia went to Belknap School, then to Highland Junior High, and on to Atherton which

at that time was an all-girls’ school. (Years later when Sonia’s sister attended, Atherton was co-ed.) Sonia
went to the University of Michigan for two years, then returned to Louisville and got a B.S. in Education at

the University of Louisville. After graduation, she taught first grade at Tingley Elementary School at
Preston and Ormsby for several years. She was always civic minded, and during WWII she collected gum

wrappers for the metal. In high school she collected money for UJC.
During the flood of ‘37, when her mother was pregnant with her sister, seven or eight people (a grandfather

and a few others) were all staying in their small house. They took a cushion from the porch swing and put
it on the floor for Sonia’s bed. They could only flush the toilet once a day and they had to have typhoid

ts.

�The family had a car and drove to South Haven, Michigan, and stayed at the Mendelsohn Kosher
Resort for vacations. They also visited an aunt and uncle in Indianapolis who had once lived in Palestine
. .i after WWII returned to the U.S

For some high holidays Sonia’s parents would invite Jewish service people from Ft. Knox for dinner,

and one year when Sonia was at U of L, they had four men over for Rosh Hashanah. For Yom Kippur they

had the same four plus a few others, one of whom was Ronald Leon Levine (born in 1929 in Jackson

Break- Fa/tT
Heights, N.Y.) who came for the^eakfaet. He had graduated in 1951 from the University of Denver, was

drafted, and now had two months left at Ft. Knox where he worked at the Army Medical Research Lab. At
the end of this time he replaced himself there in the same position but as a civilian. He and Sonia started

dating, she was pinned in 1953, engaged in 1954, and they married in June, 1955. Sadly, Sonia’s father
died one month before the wedding.
Ronald Levine had been taking graduate classes in Physiology and decided to go to medical school.

He was accepted at U of L med school and began classes in the fall after they were married. He went into

nily Practice, and then went back for a residency in Ob/Gyn. During this time, he and Sonia had three
children. Their oldest, Howard Levine, was born in 1959, and is now married to Karen Klein Levine. At this

point, Sonia and Ronald lived in the south end of Louisville. Eighteen months later, in 1961, Stacy Levine
Orenstein was born (now married to Josh Orenstein), and in 1964 they had their second son, Glenn

Levine. Stacy and Josh live in Chicago and have two children, Jana (20) and Zev (16). Glenn and Marci,
who live in Louisville, have two children, Jordyn (16) and Daniel (13), and Glenn is very involved in the
Jewish community as the chairman of the teen program and chair of the Endowment Investment

Committee.

Some of the things that influenced Sonia’s volunteerism were the movie Ox-Bow Incident, the book
The Feminine Mystique, and the teachings of Hillel. She became very interested in politics and was state
Public Affairs director for NCJW, and was a Democratic precinct captain for 30 years. She worked for

ny political campaigns and in 1982 was Campaign Manager for Marcia Weinstein, who ran for State

Representative. Sonia served on many committees for Federation and served four years on the Louisville

�and Jefferson County Human Relations Commission, marched for desegregation and against the Viet Nam
war, and headed study groups for women’s issues such as abortion rights. In 1980, Sonia and Dr. Marcia

. ^xler Segal co-chaired the Study of Louisville Jewish Women. With Lillian Seligman, she co-chaired an

inter-marriage study for Jewish Family and Career Services. In 1991 she began to work part time at JFCS,
and continued working there for nine years. She and Sherrie Urbach worked together, Sonia as a
Vocational Counselor and Sherrie as the resettlement person for new Americans.

Dr. Ronald Levine was in private practice of OB GYN for over 35 years and was an associate with U

of L Medical School. Then in 1996 he became a full time professor at the school. He became interested in
a new kind of surgery—pelviscopy—and in 1984 he went to Germany to learn this new technique and

brought it back to the U.S. It was the start of Laparoscopy surgery. He was president of AAGL, the largest
endoscopy society in the world. He also was on the National Board of Planned Parenthood and worked on
sex education programs for the Jefferson Co. Public Schools.

As to the wars, Sonia’s father’s brother was a flight surgeon in the Pacific, and she has second and
d cousins who live in Israel.

Sonia’s favorite memories are vacations and everyday life with her family, and she would like to be

remembered as a person who really cared about others. She and husband Ronald are very proud that their
children are concerned and caring individuals.

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                    <text>QUESTIONAIRE FOR ORAL HISTORIES
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1. Tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and when?
2. Tell me about your parents - their names and where were they born?
My father, Billy Morris Beton, the oldest of 4 children, came from the Island of Rhodes. His family had
come from Spain after one of the Spanish inquisitions. My grandfather was a fisherman who drowned
when his boat sank, as his family was on the shore waiting for him. My father ended his education at the
age of 13 when he threw rotten tomatoes at his teacher from the roof of the school house. He came to
me US by himself at the age of 16 and lived in New York, selling Coca Cola at the Metropolitan Opera so
that he could hear Caruso sing. He loved opera and sang in and around the house all the time. He then
worked his way across the country, even stopping in Louisville along the way, and ending up in Los
Angeles. It was there he met my mother, Eleanor Holtzberg, on a blind date and soon married her. They
moved to San Francisco, CA, where he opened a shoe findings business, selling shoe laces and polish
imported from England as these were not made in the US at that time.
My mother was born in the Bronx. My grandmother, Lena Holtzberg, came to the US from
Kiev with her 5 or 6 siblings. She was the oldest. She eventually opened a dry goods store in the Bronx,
and her husband (also from Kiev) worked as a tailor for Lord and Taylor. My mother attended the Julliard
School of Music- she played the piano - but her brother did not go to college. At some point the family
moved to Savannah and then to Los Angeles where my mother worked for I. Magnin &amp; Co. She met my
father in Los Angeles, CA. I was born in San Francisco in 1934, and 2 years later, my sister, Marsha,
was born. Three or four months later, my mother was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. When I was 5,
four of us moved to Los Altos, CA.
3. What language(s) were spoken in your home?
4. Where did you live as a child? Who lived in the same house with you - Grandparents?
Uncles/Aunts?Brothers? Sisters?
My family spoke English most of the time but between my mother and grandmother Yiddish was often
spoken. My paternal grandmother lived with us part time and she and my father spoke Latino. During
WWII, my maternal grandmother also lived with us most of the time.
5. What brought you or your family to Louisville, Kentucky and when did you come?
I came to Louisville in 1956 because my husband, Stuart, was from Louisville.
6. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the neighborhood? Did
you walk to school? Sunday school? Synagogue/Temple? Was there a neighborhood grocery?
Drug store?
In San Francisco, Jews were mainly in the closet at that time. In Los Altos, there were only a few Jews,
no synagogue, and no religious education. There was one elementary school (no high school) and I did
walk to school. In the town, there was only one grocery store, and one drug store. My big love was riding
my bike, and I rode all over the area. I did experience anti-Semitism in school.
7. If you or your family lived in Louisville at the time - how did the 1937 flood affect you and your
loved ones? NA
you wished to travel within the city limits what kind of transportation did you use? Did you
navel out of town when you were young? What kind of transportation did you use when you
traveled out of town? And if so, where did you go? What special memories do you have of those
trips?

�My family had 2 cars and made trips out of town. After WWII my father went into an import/export
business and traveled around the world twice a year, gone for 2 months at a time. As a family, we rented
a cottage on the coast of Santa Barbara for part of the summer and my father came some of the
' .’kends. We also vacationed at Yosemite and at Lake Tahoe. At Yosemite, when I was a teenager, I
stayed in a lodge with my sister and a friend from school, met a young man and had my first kiss. At
Lake Tahoe one night, my father said he was going to a club and would be back in a couple of hours.
When he returned, he said that he had played craps and the vacation was paid for.
9. Was your family involved in a synagogue/temple?
10. What holidays and rituals were observed in your family? Do you have any significant
memories surrounding Jewish celebrations and what was special about those occasions?
There was no synagogue in Los Altos, but my parents (not the children) went to Temple Emmanuel in
San Francisco, CA for the High Holidays. As kids, we did go to San Francisco, CA to see the
Metropolitan Opera. The family did have Seders with my uncle’s family (my mother’s brother).
Otherwise, there were no other Jewish observances. And, because everyone else had a Christmas tree,
my parents gave in and we had one, too—and observed Christmas, not Chanukah.
I was Bat Mitzvah at the age of 40. I was taking a class at Adath Jeshurun with Cantor Portnoy, where I
learned the Haftorah tropes. Several women in the class decided to become Bat Mitzvah and I did, too. I
still read Haftorah and Torah on a regular basis. I have continued to study Judaism, was very involved
with UJA, active in NCJW, served on the Board at AJ and still lead the Minyan on Wednesday nights.
11. Did you attend religious school? Were you confirmed? Did you have a Bar Mitzvah? What
are your memories from that time? Are you still in touch with some of the people that attended
Sunday school with you?
I did not go to religious school and did not have a Bat Mitzvah until I was 40 years old. My mother tried
r ‘ -istian Science for a while to try to cure her MS (it didn’t), so I did have some experience with a
^...istian Science Sunday school. In third grade, playing crack the whip, I was at the end and went
sprawling, and my face got scratched and bruised. My mother kept reading Mary Baker Eddy (an author
of the movement) and for some unknown reason, the next day, my face was fine.
12. What is your educational background? What was your career? Who or what influenced you to
choose your career?
13. How did you meet your husband/wife? Where and when were you married? Do you have
children? Grandchildren?
Because I was so rebellious, my parents sent me to a boarding school, Castilleja School for Girls in Palo
Alto. I met my future husband, Stuart Handmaker on a blind date. (I was 15 and he was 19). Two weeks
later he called me and again we really hit it off. Later, I found out that the blind dates were part of a
scheme he and a friend had set up to meet lots of girls, but that ended after he met me. After I graduated
from high school, I attended Stanford University for 2 years and then in 1953 Stuart and I married and
moved to Washington, DC while he served in the Army. While living in Washington, DC I attended
George Washington University and graduated with a major in Psychology.
We have 4 children: Ellen, now a Social Worker in New Jersey, with 2 children: Myles, 27 and Eliza, 23;
David, an investment manager in Louisville with 3 children: Maina, a senior in college, Orii, a sophomore
in college, and Cal, a junior at DuPont Manual; Billy, Headmaster of a private school in St. Louis (and
soon will move to Albuquerque, NM to be Headmaster at a larger school), with 2 boys : Simon, 14 and
Lev, 11: and Bobby, who owns 4 restaurants in Jacksonville, Fl. has 2 girls: Daisy, 6 and Sadie, 4.
Near the age of 40, I received my Master’s in Psychology from the University of Louisville. At age 50, I
completed my Doctorate in Clinical Psychology at the University of Louisville. After completing my
i jters, I worked for the Louisville Board of Education as a psychological evaluator of children with
learning difficulties, consulted at St Francis Elementary in Goshen and at a Montessori preschool. After
receiving my Ph.D., I was the Director of Psychological Services at Life Spring Mental Health Services in
Jeffersonville, IN. When I had my Master’s Degree, I opened a private practice in St. Matthews, working

�with children and families; and now I work primarily with adults. After getting my Doctorate, I supervised
psychology students at U of L and Spaulding, and then expanded my private practice and opened an
office with Dr. Judith Peoples. I decided to become a psychologist at age 14 so that young people would
e someone to talk to when they were hurting.
14. Discuss your involvement in the Jewish Community outside of your temple or synagogue
when you were growing up.
I had no involvement with a Jewish community of any sort when I was growing up; neither did I have any
Jewish friends. In addition to raising a family and working in psychology, I was a Vice President of
National Council of Jewish Women, Louisville Section for several years and in the 50s was named
Council Woman of the Year. I also worked very closely with Fannie Rose Rosenbaum for the UJC, and
Stuart and I led a UJC mission to Israel.
15. What was your involvement in the non- Jewish community? Did you witness any antiSemitism living in Louisville?
As an adult I have been socially and professionally involved with both Jews and non-Jews. As a child I
did experience anti-Semitism, sometimes from teachers, and in 8th grade, my boyfriend said his mother
wouldn’t allow him to invite me to his graduation party because I was Jewish. Since being in Louisville,
any anti-Semitism I have experienced has been very subtle and I have confronted the person at the time
he/she was making anti-Semitic remarks. This has been very empowering.
In the 1960s, I marched with Martin Luther King in Frankfort, Kentucky and participated in a sit-in at a
restaurant with an African-American friend. I also organized an NCJW workshop on Open Occupancy
(which allows people of any race to buy property and help them get a loan). At that time, many Blacks
wanted to move to the East End, but couldn’t get loans. As a result of this workshop, changes began in
r -r community.
16. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel?
WWII had an effect on my father’s side of the family. In 1939, he went back to Rhodes and brought his
mother and youngest brother to the US. His sister went to Palestine and another brother went to Buenos
Aires. Because I was living in the San Francisco area we were definitely affected by WWII. There were
many air raids which were taken very seriously. It was a frightening time because we feared being
attacked by the Japanese. Another lasting memory goes as follows: A Japanese couple and their son
lived in a cottage on our California property. When WWII started, the husband and wife were (like all
Japanese in the US) sent to a concentration camp. However, their son was allowed to join the US Army.
To this day I don’t understand this discrepancy. The wars in Israel had no effect on the immediate
family.
17. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?
Religion affected my life in a very negative way when I was growing up. Because of ongoing antiSemitism, the lack of any positive religious experiences, as well as the lack of a Jewish community,
being Jewish brought me much unhappiness. However, after moving to Louisville and being exposed to
Judaism and a Jewish community, I gradually began to embrace my Judaism. This has brought me
much joy, happiness and peace, and I am very committed to my Judaism and all it brings to me. My
most spiritual memories take place at the beach or in the woods. I believe that the spiritual and the
religious do not always have to happen together, although they certainly do at times.
1K What interests or hobbies did you have when you were young and what are they now?
1 young girl, my main hobbies were reading and riding my bike and exploring. Now they include
reading, walking, making pottery, knitting and listening to music.

�19. What are your favorite family memories - whether it was with your family of origin, or your
extended family and friends?
Some of my favorite memories are of camping with our kids all across the US and Canada. Once at Zion
I
onal Park, we were looking for a camp site. The boys stayed at a site while the family checked out
another. We had bought Bobby (our youngest) a small pocket knife, but had said he could not open it
unless we were with him. When we returned he had opened it and had cut himself, but insisted a bug
had bitten him instead. Another time, in Quebec, David, wearing a cap, was sitting by himself whittling.
Some Americans came by and thought he was French-Canadian, so they spoke to him in broken
English. He answered them in a sort of dialect and never let on that he understood them perfectly. My
favorite times were taking off as a family and being in the outdoors camping, cooking out, roasting
marshmallows, and having lots of fun. We explored many places this way and traveled all the way
across the country and back.
20. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What values would you like to
pass on to those you leave behind?
I would like to be remembered as a person who gave of myself to others and imparted values that were
meaningful, NOT of money, power or fame. I believe in helping others and finding value in connections
and relationships with others. I also feel professionally and personally fulfilled.

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                    <text>QUESTIONAIRE FOR ORAL HISTORIES
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1. Tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and when? How did they
travel?
Betty’s great grandfather, Benedict Dann, born 1851, came from Frankfort, Germany, and emigrated
to Savanna, GA. Her maternal great-grandfather, Nathan Bloom, born 1840 in Germany, came to
Kentucky as a traveling salesman, and his family became very involved with Adath Israel.
2. Tell me about your parents - their names and where were they born? Have there been other
family names used in the past? Where, when, and why was it changed?
Betty’s father, Dann Byck was born in 1899 in Atlanta, GA, and her mother, Mary Helen Adler, was
born in 1907 in Louisville, and her family was from Louisville.
3. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home?
Betty was born in Louisville on 7/1/19341 English was spoken in her home.
4. Where did you live as a child? Who lived in the same house with you - Grandparents?
Uncles/Aunts?
Brothers? Sisters?
Betty lived at 3321 Greenhill Lane until she married. Her brother Dann was born in 1936 and her
sister Lucy was born in 1932. Lucy died three weeks before Betty’s husband, Steve, (2008) and her
brother Dann died 6 months later (2009).
5. What brought you or your family to Louisville, Kentucky and when did you come? How did
they travel? Did they share any unusual experiences with you?
Betty’s father came to Louisville in 1902 when he was two, but he never talked about his past.
6. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the neighborhood? Did
you walk to school? Sunday school? Synagogue/Temple? What kind of shops were in
your neighborhood?
Betty’s neighborhood was very upscale—few Jews and no shops. The Temple was on 3rd Street.
The family used their car for traveling, as well as buses and streetcars. They went by car to the zoo
in Cincinnati and during the war they took buses due to the gas shortage. Her sister Lucy read books

�all the time, but Betty was on the run constantly. She and Dann were inseparable. He loved her
unconditionally and she protected him. She became closer to her sister as a teenager.
7. If you or your family lived in Louisville at the time - how did the 1937 flood affect you and
your loved ones?
During the ’37 flood the maid walked Betty and siblings down Mockingbird Valley to see the water.
Her father had to row a boat to her aunt’s house. There was no electricity for a month, and the maids
had to cook on a little wood-burning stove in the basement. They had company over when the lights
finally came back on and when they flickered everyone’s eyes squinted.
8. If you wished to travel within the city limits what kind of transportation did you use? Did
you travel out of town when you were young? What kind of transportation did you use
when you traveled out of town? And if so, where did you go? What special memories do
you have of those trips?

When Betty was 14 she went to a ranch in Montana and continued to do this for four summers six
weeks each. She loved riding and got her own horse after she married.
9. Was your family involved in a synagogue/temple? Were your parents or other family
members religious?
Her parents were not religious and seldom went to Temple. The children lit Hanukkah candles in the
kitchen with the maids, and her father went dove-hunting on Yom Kippur. The children did go to
Sunday school, but were pulled out of class for Hebrew studies. Betty was confirmed but does not
keep up with Sunday School friends.
10. What holidays and rituals were observed in your family? Do you have any significant
memories surrounding Jewish celebrations and what was special about those occasions?
See q. 9
Passover Seder was always at Aunt Louise Flarsheim’s.
11. Did you attend Sunday School or other religious schools? Were you confirmed? Did you
have a Bar/Bat Mitzvah? What are your memories from that time? Are you still in touch with
some of the people that attended Sunday School with you?
See q. 9

�12. What is your educational background? What was your occupation? Who or what
influenced you to choose your career? What kind of preparation or training was required
for your career?
Betty went to Emmet Field Elementary through 6th grade, Barrett Junior High for 7th grade and
Kentucky Home School for Girls on Douglass across from A.J. for high school. It was a very happy
time in her life. There were 19 girls in her class and she was close to everyone. For college she
went to Miami University in Ohio and loved it. She majored in Sociology. Later she trained
employees for her parents’ store and volunteered at St. MAMS intervention services. She went to a
workshop and then was asked to work with the Director. She soon realized how dysfunctional
alcoholic families were and knew she needed more training, so went to Spalding for Counseling
Psychology and her Master’s in 1985. Most of her training was in interventions and co-dependency.
St. MAMS was taken over by Baptist Hospital, and Betty did all the counseling for families. In 1989
she joined a group of five women and worked with them for 15 years. She did 3-4 interventions a
year, but mainly did mental health counseling. Ninety percent of Betty’s interventions were
successful, i.e. they went into treatment. Interventions were very emotional, lots of crying, sometimes
even Betty.
13. How did you meet your mate? At what point did you realize that this was the one you
wanted to marry? Where and when were you married? Do you have children?
Grandchildren?
Betty met her husband Steve on a blind date. One of her friends was engaged to a guy at Ft. Knox
who was a friend of Steve’s. He told Steve he had to meet Betty (said she had a great body). Betty
was 5’9” and she and her mother had a code. If her blind date was short, she’d say “Betty, he’s here”
and if he was tall, she’d call her Betts. Steve was tall so her mother called her Betts, and Betty put on
her heels. Steve was sitting down when she came in and looked short. He was very tan and looked
like an Arab. Then he stood up, they looked into each other’s eyes, and both were smitten. They
dated for 11 months and then were married at home by Dr. Waller, one of his first weddings. Betty
and Steve have three children. Eric (53) is chief investment officer at Aegon and married to Sharon.
They are very observant Jews, live in Louisville and they have three children: Judy (17) who is going

�to NYU; Aaron (15); and Sylvia (10). Sally (50) is her mother’s right hand. She works for Valpak as a
national trainer and regional manager. She lives in Louisville and has two children: Katie (22); and
Chris (20). Sally is married to Todd Whitchurch who also has two children: Haley (17); and Tyler
(19). Tyler and Chris go to U of L and will be room mates. Jennifer (49) works as a headhunter for
Human Resources Company and is married to Jim Kaplan. They have three children: Elle (16);
Jarrett (14); and Alec (12). They live in Huntsville, AL.
14. Discuss your involvement in the Jewish Community outside of your temple or synagogue
when you were growing up.
As a child Betty had little contact with the Jewish community. She had no Jewish friends, but
belonged to one Jewish Club which she hated because all they did was argue.
15. What was your involvement in the non- Jewish community? Did you witness any antiSemitism living in Louisville? If so, how was this incident handled?
She had one experience with anti-Semitism. In 7th grade she was playing softball and caught a ball in
the outfield. Some girl yelled, “Don’t touch that ball, a dirty Jew caught it.” Her mother told her if the
girl hit her, Betty had permission to hit her back.
16. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel? Pearl Harbor? What are
your earliest recollections when thinking about major events in history?
Betty’s father was 42 when WWII began and he decided to join the army. He was gone for three
years and her mother ran Byck’s which was downtown. In 1946 her mother decided to open a
suburban store in St. Matthews. Her father was stationed at Camp McCall in North Carolina and was
in charge of the PX. He then went to Fort Bragg.
17. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?
Betty’s trip to Montana was a spiritual experience. So also are her high school memories—a feeling
of being connected, though not necessarily to a higher power. She sometimes felt this connection
with clients, and in Africa, looking at a baby zebra’s head and seeing every line so perfect she felt
there must be a higher power greater then herself.

�18. What interests or hobbies did you have when you were young and what are they now?
What schools did you attend and are there any memories that stand out from that time in
your life?
Betty’s sister got breast cancer at the age of 37. She had radiation, but the cancer returned, and in
1975 doctors took out her ovaries and did more radiation. Her cancer didn’t return but she was over­
treated and over-dosed for every illness which caused many other problems and constant illness.
After her sister got sick, Betty felt her own mortality and thought about how she was living her life and
realized she had just copied her mother and sister. She began to do things her own way, changed
the sexist way household chores were being done, and got caught up in the women’s liberation
movement.
When she was young, Betty was a jock. Her hobbies were movies, sports and horseback riding,
tennis and golf. Now she paints and takes classes at The Temple.
19. What are your favorite family memories - whether it was with your family of origin, or your
extended family and friends?
Memories are mainly of travel. When she was 18 the whole family went to Europe and they took their
own station wagon as they were all tall people and the European cars were very small. Betty and
Steve took the kids on many trips in the States, and went themselves to Europe, Africa and China.
20. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What message do you want
to leave for your children and future generations?
Betty would like to be remembered as someone who helped some people better their lives, and as a
good, loving mother, a wonderful wife, a loving Grammy. She would like to leave for her children and
grandchildren a respect for people, love of family, and an ability to find joy in their own lives.

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                    <text>QUESTIONAIRE FOR ORAL HISTORIES
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Caroline

for the JFCS archives in September 2011 .

1. Tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and when? How did they
travel?
My parents, Belle Stern and Isadore Maurice Kimmelfield, were born in Kupel, a village near Odessa,
Ukraine. One of Belle’s sisters ran away and Belle went after her, traveling all over Europe for two
years. The sister ended up in New York, and Belle found her there in 1917. She stayed with her
sister for awhile and then went to New Bedford, Conn, to teach Hebrew. She spoke four languages.
Isadore was a Talmudic scholar, a Zionist, and a Socialist. (Jews were slowly being assimilated into
Russian society but few Jews were allowed in schools.) Isadore left Kupel in 1914 to escape the
draft, went to Cleveland and then to New York. He met Belle at a landsman society. She was being
courted by Velvel Chomsky who became president of Dropsie College and was the father of Noam
Chomsky, but she chose Isadore instead. Isadore was a foreman with Western Union but he went on
strike with his workers and was boycotted for two years. Then he worked for All America Cable and
stayed there for the rest of his life. Belle went to adult education classes and took English to get a
job, but her husband wouldn’t let her work. Everyone spoke English in their home, no Yiddish,
because Belle wanted her kids to be Americanized.
2. Tell me about your parents - their names and where were they born? Have there been other
family names used in the past? Where, when, and why was it changed?
3. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home?
I was born in 1930 in Brooklyn, N.Y. I had one older brother, Arthur. I lived in Brooklyn until I went to
college. No other Jewish families lived near us.
4. Where did you live as a child? Who lived in the same house with you - Grandparents?
Brothers? Sisters?
Uncles/Aunts?
5. What brought you or your family to Louisville, Kentucky and when did you come? How did
they travel? Did they share any unusual experiences with you?
I met Paul Tenen at Brooklyn College and after several years of dating, we married in 1952 after I
graduated from Columbia Law School. Three years later Paul was killed in an auto accident. Five
years later I met Donald Balleisen, and we married in 1959. Donald graduated from Princeton and
Harvard Law School. He worked for Penicken Ford which was sold to Reynolds Tobacco Co., and
we did not want to move to Winston Salem. I knew about Louisville—its orchestra, the Courier
Journal and Harry Carmichael who desegregated schools before there was a law—so we decided to
move to Louisville. I had mainly preferred mixed gender groups, but I was invited to a meeting of
NCJW, and I was so impressed by them that I joined the group.
6. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the neighborhood? Did
you walk to school? Sunday school? Synagogue/Temple? What kind of shops were in
your neighborhood?

�I lived in Louisville on Runnymede since 1969. The houses were just being built then, and many
Jews lived there. Donald and I were associated with The Temple (which was downtown) and we
shopped at Holiday Manor. We were not here for the flood but were here for the tornado which went
ip 1-71 but missed our subdivision. We put the kids in the basement, but Donald was upstairs talking
on the phone to N.Y. and I kept calling him to come down to the basement.
7. If you or your family lived in Louisville at the time - how did the 1937 flood affect you and
your loved ones?
8. If you wished to travel within the city limits what kind of transportation did you use? Did
you travel out of town when you were young? What kind of transportation did you use
when you traveled out of town? And if so, where did you go? What special memories do
you have of those trips?
THIS GOES BACK TO THE TIME IN BROOKLYN. My family used the subway and buses. Even
when we went to the country, Northbranch in the Catskills, we took a bus for five hours. We and
another family rented rooms in a farmhouse there. We played Monopoly, hiked, picked berries, etc.
It was there that I had my first incident of anti-Semitism when a child called me a dirty Jew. At home I
lived close to Coney Island.
9. Was your family involved in a synagogue/temple? Were your parents or other family
members religious?
BROOKLYN: My family was not much involved with religion. We went to synagogue on the high
holidays and celebrated Thanksgiving but not Christmas. Once when I was 6 or 7 my father tried to
’et me sit with him in the Synagogue, but I was sent to sit upstairs with my mother.
10. What holidays and rituals were observed in your family? Do you have any significant
memories surrounding Jewish celebrations and what was special about those occasions?
11. Did you attend Sunday School or other religious schools? Were you confirmed? Did you
have a Bar/Bat Mitzvah? What are your memories from that time? Are you still in touch with
some of the people that attended Sunday School with you?
BROOKLYN: I went to Sunday School at the Jewish Community House of Bensonhurst, which was
like the JCC. I was not confirmed, but learned Bible stories, sang, took ballet and drama. I am not
now in touch with anyone there; but one friend, Iris Kline Owens, persuaded me to apply to Barnard.
I would have liked to be in touch with her, but she died. Iris wrote novels. Other well-known people
who attended the Community House were Rhoda Karpatkin who was a CEO of Consumer Union and
Maurice Sendak.
12. What is your educational background? What was your occupation? Who or what
influenced you to choose your career? What kind of preparation or training was required
for your career?
I attended Brooklyn College, Barnard, and Columbia. My first job, in high school, was selling linens at
Loessers Dept, store in Brooklyn. When I graduated from law school there were few if any jobs for
Jewish women, so the Dean of the law school hired me to work on a project to develop an income tax
code. The people on that committee were famous and interesting. They met at the Bar Association
and usually had lunch at the Harvard Club, but since it did not let in women when they were with me
they went across the street to the Algonquin. The office looked at the Colgate clock, same as in
Louisville. The firm had two Jewish partners, one of whom hired me. I was always interested in

�public policy which led me to become an attorney. I had thought I would go into politics, but didn’t
have the confidence. Instead, I decided to open my own practice, and worked for the same professor
who had hired me, doing research at the Columbia library. There I met Myra Schumann who was
ioing the same kind of work. I told Myra I wanted to meet a man who wanted to marry, not just have
sex. Myra talked to her husband who was a friend of Donald Balleisen and set up a date for him with
me. Donald was tall, wore a hat, and took me to dinner at the Plaza, then to the movie (The Last
Angry Man), on to a jazz club, and then to a walk by the river. This was January 17, 1959. On
Valentine’s Day he gave me a lovely heart pin, and we married on April 8, 1959, a small wedding at
the Sheraton Netherlands. We had three children: Ellen, born January 9, 1960; Wendy, born October
13, 1963; and Edward, born July 3, 1965. I have three grandchildren; Cassandra Marie Finger who
graduated from Smith three years ago; Zach who is 15 and Aaron, 13, who live with Edward in
Durham, SC where he is a professor at Duke. Daughter Ellen lives in New York and teaches ESL at
CUNY and does pension consulting for the teachers’ union.
While I was raising my children in Louisville, I was on many boards. When my husband left
Greenbaum, I became his associate lawyer, and 'then we became partners with Tilford, Dobbins,
Alexanders, Buckaway, and Black. I specialized in estate tax, tax planning, and was a courtappointed lawyer for children’s abuse cases.
13. How did you meet your mate? At what point did you realize that this was the one you
wanted to marry? Where and when were you married? Do you have children?
Grandchildren?
14. Discuss your involvement in the Jewish Community outside of your temple or synagogue
when you were growing up.
15. What was your involvement in the non- Jewish community? Did you witness any antiSemitism living in Louisville? If so, how was this incident handled?
In my neighborhood in Brooklyn was an Italian Catholic girl who became my close friend. We would
walk to the Bay wearing shorts and the soldiers in trucks would whistle at us. However, once a man
exposed himself and that was the end of the walks. I experienced no anti-Semitism in Louisville.
16. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel? Pearl Harbor? What are
your earliest recollections when thinking about major events in history?
I had one aunt who immigrated to Israel in the 1950s. My Mother’s oldest brother, who had four kids,
was in the Red Army and they ended up in a displaced persons’ camp. Bella, who was a poll
watcher, finally got them into the U.S. Her brother became a professor at Dropsie College, but was
angry with his sister for not getting him a position in New York. My brother enlisted in the army at 17
(1943) and wanted to go into the Specialized Training program. Later he was sent to Penn State on
the Gl Bill and became an attorney.
17. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?
I have no spiritual memories. I just liked being Jewish.
18. What interests or hobbies did you have when you were young and what are they now?
What schools did you attend and are there any memories that stand out from that time in
your life?
When I was young I liked Frank Sinatra, drawing, my cat, folk dancing (as a teenager), politics and
playing the piano. I took lessons for eight years at the 3rd Street Music Settlement where lessons

�plus music theory were $1.25. Now I am involved in writing my memoirs, politics, the Citizens
Housing Counsel, the Citizens Union, and the American Jewish Committee.
19. What

are your favorite family memories - whether it was with your family of origin, or your
extended family and friends?

My best memories are of having my whole family here for my birthday. I wish I had been more
involved with them, but they are all far apart geographically.

20. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What message do you want
to leave for your children and future generations?
I would like to be remembered as a person who really cared about Tikkun 01am. I want my children
and grandchildren to do their own thing and be happy. I am very proud of all of them.

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A conservative estimate of 250,000 people gathered at the Washington Monument grounds today for the climax of anti-war demonstrations. This figure made it the largest turnout of its kind in the nation's history. The demonstration was preceded by a 40-hour march against death in which 45,000 people walked single file from the Arlington Bridge past the White House to the capital. Each carried the name of an American GI killed in Vietnam or a Vietnamese village destroyed. At the White House, the demonstrators called out the names which they carried. The night portion of the dramatized by a candle light procession. Upon completion of the march against death, there was a mass march up Pennsylvania Avenue near the White House to the monument grounds leading the bearers with caskets containing the names now.&#13;
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Don't you wish love only love could save this world from disaster? Love, love, only love could save this world from disaster. Don't you wish love could end the confusion? Or is it just one more illusion? Oh&#13;
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shant.&#13;
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If we want to have great love, we got to have great anger. If we want to have great love, we got to have great anger. When I see innocent folk shot down, you want me just shake my head and frown. Oh, terrorist shanti salami. We came to the march because my wife and I are very concerned about the war in Vietnam. We have a boy over there and we had another boy come home. We're not only concerned about them, but we're concerned about the future of our country. If we want to hit the target square, better not have blind anger. If we want to hit the target square, better not have blind anger. Or else it'll just be one more time. The correction creates another crime.&#13;
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My oldest son, Mike Ransom, was killed in Vietnam on May 11th last year. In the last letter he ever wrote, he pleaded, "Tell any friends you have in Washington to quit quibbling and start talking about ways to end this foolishness here." In another letter, he asked a friend to attend every anti-war meeting for him. And so I stand before this congregation to bear witness to my son that we, his family and his friends have come again to Washington as he asked us to and that we will try once more to give meaning to his death by our efforts to bring peace and hope to this troubled nation.&#13;
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My name is Donna Barnett. I have come from Fayetteville, Arkansas. My husband, Rey, is stationed in Vietnam. I want to believe that Rey is serving the best interests of America, that it is necessary for him to be in Vietnam. But that is a lie. Rey was taken from me to fight a war that is neither necessary nor just. A war that we stumbled into and now it seems cannot find the honesty or strength to walk away from. I want my husband back from Vietnam as all women want their husbands back from Vietnam. Now, when you come to the proper place, turn towards the door of the White House, stop and really shout the name and the state as loudly as you can. Forget the press microphones because Mr. Nixon has just returned from Florida and we want him to hear. So, shout right for the door minutes ago by helicopter. Please, as you pass the marshal holding the peace sign in the center of the White House, please turn and shout out the name on your placker. Ernie Jacobs, South Carolina, William Fanwick, Colorado. David Kaiser, West Virginia. Benjamin, Wisconsin. David Miller, Michigan. Larry K, Colorado. Car Miracle, Wisconsin, South Vietnam. Joseph King North Carolina&#13;
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Paul Michigander&#13;
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Colorado Bruce Colorado.&#13;
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I'm here to express my strong hope for peace for this country. I I this is probably the most religious experience uh that I have had. I've never seen people such united with such uh such feeling and and I'm proud to be here. Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing.&#13;
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Where have all the flowers gone? Long time ago. Where have all the flowers gone? Girls have picked them everyone. When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?&#13;
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Where all the young&#13;
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I see where all the young No&#13;
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longer.&#13;
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When will they ever?&#13;
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will lay.&#13;
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Where have all the young&#13;
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My&#13;
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name&#13;
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in the Lord.&#13;
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When will we ever&#13;
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will&#13;
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How long will we depend on a foreign aid program that is so largely military aid? How long&#13;
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How long will we continue to spend billions for war or its preparations and be unwilling to spend comparable sums to rebuild the cities and eliminate the slums of the whole world?&#13;
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How long will the white northern nations take advantage of dark southern nations in an unequal economic battle?&#13;
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I remind you that these are not political questions I'm asking. They are moral questions.&#13;
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All we&#13;
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We are&#13;
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We shall overcome.&#13;
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I do.&#13;
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We shall overcome.&#13;
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We shall all be free. We shall all be free.&#13;
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We shall all be free.&#13;
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We shall be free.&#13;
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My heart&#13;
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We shall live in peace.&#13;
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We shall live in&#13;
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Hallelujah.&#13;
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We are&#13;
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We are not&#13;
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Oh, deep in my heart.&#13;
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I do.&#13;
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We shall overcome.&#13;
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We shall overcome.&#13;
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Oh,&#13;
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Union of American Hebrew Congregations&#13;
Executive Council of the Episcopal Church&#13;
National Association of Laymen (Catholic)&#13;
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                    <text>QUESTIONAIRE FOR ORAL HISTORIES
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Blema Baer
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for the JFVS archives
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2. Can you tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and
when?

My father came to America first because he had a sister living here. And he sent for
my mother and brother and sister, who came over later.
3. What were your parents’ names and where were they born?

My mother, Ida Kasap, was bom in Kiev.
My father, Samuel Sandler, was bom in Kiev.
4. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home?
Where did you live then? Who lived in the same house with you Brothers? Sisters?
Uncles/aunts?
Grandparents?

July 10, 1914. Mostly English. Mom and pop didn’t speak Yiddish very often. 763 S
1st street, I think it’s all commercial right now. Brothers, 3, and 4 sisters, mother and
father.
5. What was your neighborhood like? Were there other Jews living in the
neighborhood? Did you walk to school? Sunday School? Temple? Was
there a neighborhood grocery? Drug store?

Friendly, no Jews lived there. Yes, yes. Yes, there was a grocery right on the comer
right where we lived, a Pigly Wiggly, and the drug store was about three blocks from
where we lived, Davis’s drug store.
6. How did the 1937 flood affect you and your family?

Quite a bit. My father was in Chicago buying clothes for his store, and one of my
brother’s was down at the store, and another brother was down at the river putting up
sand bags. And my sister and I were washing this beautiful punch bowl and listening
to the news and I dropped the punch bowl. Then my sister and I went to the school,
which was about ‘A a block away. And a boat came over to our house to take us out
of there. There were about 500 on the second floor of the school and 500 that lived
on the first floor, and we were there for quite a bit.
7. If you wished to travel what kind of transportation did you use? Did you
travel when you were young? If so, where?

Planes, I’ve been on two cruises they are great but I like trains or planes. Street car.
No.

�8. Was your family involved in a synagogue / temple?

No, just as members.
9. What holidays and rituals were observed?

All of them. We had one shlu kappors, it was when we would put money in the
charity boxes and swing chickens. We had Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and
Passover.
10. Did you attend religious school? Were you confirmed? Bar Mitzvah?

Yes, went to Hebrew school for a short time. No, no.
11 .What is your educational background? What was your career?

Hs graduate, and took some courses at UofL, observed but didn’t register.
Started out working at Selman’s, then my husband was a football coach, then I had
'YOMZ' two children, then when pay became ill he had dabbled in insurance so I went into
agency and became a business woman.
that for climbrng^pplej^
12. What brought you to Louisville and when did you come?

Bom here.
13. How did you meet your husband/wife? Where and when were you married?
Did you have children?

First I met him when I was in high school, and he would come by at the end of school
and offer me a ride home, but I didn’t date him for a long time after that. Then he
started calling me for dates and that was it. June 21, 1938 at Anches Sphard
synagogue. Two children one son has passed away.
14. Tell about you involvement in the Jewish Community? Was you whole family
involved?

Volunteering for everything, united Jewish campaign, bond selling for Israel, 7,000
hrs for Jewish hospital. Ever since I was 7 I was volunteering, I used to write letters
to my parent’s friends children. Jewish convalescent children, council, and
community chest, the arts and crafts gallery, my list can go on and on. My family
wasn’t really involved, my brothers were away from here, and they traveled a lot. I
was really the most active in my family.
15. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel?

�Just like everyone, devastated, my brother served in the service and got
accommodation for his services. My son was over in Vietnam taking pictures, my
sister worked at the hospital as a candy(strippbf, but everyone safely returned home
after the wars. My father, who was a tailor, would fix the soldiers uniforms and
S'
clothes, without charge.
No.
16. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?

Just the fact that Judaism has taught me about sharing and caring for others, and to
try to be an example and role model of being good and considerate and thoughtful of other
people. It’s taught me charity and its importance.
17. What interests do you have?

Right now, working at the hospital is one of my greatest interests, I love to go
antiquing, reading, I used to love to drive, but they’ve taken my car away from me,
so I straighten up my house and do all the little chores, I still volunteer at 93yrs old, I
visit the patients, I have a nephew who is a dr. and he calls me to visit his patients.
18. What are your favorite family memories?

My family, my sisters and I were the best of friends, and my brothers were also realy
close to us. My sisters and I would travel together, one of my sisters and I went to
Israel together and my four sisters and I went to Japan together. And we would
celebrate all of the holidays together. I just have the fondest memories with family.
19. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What values
would you like to pass on to those you leave behind?

I don’t know. I would like to be remembered as a very caring person. The golden
rule, do unto others as u would like to have done unto u, and I really try to live that, I
think prayers are important. When I was really sick I used to watch touched by an
angel, and I remember when I had my heart surgery and I was there for 7wks. And it
dawned on me that I hadn’t said my prayers, and I remembered how important it was
to talk to g-d. And once I began to say them again I really started feeling better. It’s
important to know that there is someone greater than us that’s looking down on us
and really taking care of us.
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�Louis &amp; Lee Roth Family Center

JFVS is always here throughout
every season of your life.

Board o f Directors
Judy Freundlich Tiell
Executive Director
Barbara Goldberg
President
Debbie Friedman
Jay Klempner
Vice Presidents

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

Mark Ament
Treasurer

I do hereby give my permission to record my life history through the Jewish

Lowell D. Katz, M.D.
Ex-officio President

Family and Vocational Service, 3587 Dutchmans Lane, Louisville, Kentucky 40205.

Mitchell Charney
Jane Goldstein
Marjorie B. Kohn
Robert Levine
Howard Markus
Shirley Markus
Gail Pohn
Lillian Seligman
Steven Shapiro
Jeffrey Weiss
Past Presidents

My story will be kept in the JFVS Library and can be accessed by interested people.
It will be preserved archivally for future generations.

D. Cole
.ur Grossman
Shelton R. Weber
Honorary Directors

Participant

Caren Carney
Sally Davis
Ann Friedman
Sandi Friedson
Alyson Goldberg
Rick Greenberg
Ronald Levine
Martin Margulis
Stephanie Mutchnick
Marsha Beck Roth
Hunt Schuster
Brian Segal
Bernard Sweet
Reed Weinberg
Amy Wisotsky
Rabbi
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David Ariel-Joel
Avrohom Litvin
Stanley Miles
Joe Rooks Rapport
Gaylia R. Rooks
Nadia Siritsky
Robert Slosberg
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Date Signed

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�Blema Baer, 99, died Friday, October 4, 2013 at Deer Park Retirement
Center in Cincinnati. She was a native of Louisville bom July 10,1914.
Blema was retired sales agent for Klein &amp; Appel Insurance Agency (19541992). She wore many hats as a volunteer for 54 years at Jewish Hospital
but her favorite one was visiting the patients on Friday. She was often
called "Mama Baer" and "Girl Friday". She served on Jewish Hospital
Guild, member of The Speed Museum, a life member of Hadassah, serving
on the board, member of NCJW - Louisville Section, member of
Congregation Anshei Sfard and Congregation Anshei Sfard Sisterhood.
She was a volunteer for United Jewish Campaign, Bonds for Israel, Arts &amp;
Crafts gallery and Jewish Home for Convalescent Children. She received
The Julia Victor Volunteer of the Year Award in 1986 and won The Bell
Award in 2010.
Blema's special way with people has also been helpful to Jewish Hospital
Transplant Program. The hospital's social service staff needed someone to
be a committed friend to Kentucky's first heart transplant recipient. Blema
was selected because of her supportive and nurturing nature as well as her
level-headedness in dealing with complicated and unpredictable situations.
She was so effective in her first case that social services requested her
assistance with other patients.
Blema enjoyed antique shopping, square dancing, reading, needlepoint and
her Canasta games. Her home was always open to family, friends and to
Ray's football players, better known as "His" boys.
She is preceded in death by her husband, Raymond Baer; her son Perry
Baer; her parents, Samuel and Ida Kapsah Sandler; her sisters, Cecil
Speevack, Rebecca Judah, Flora Levine and Marian Stem; her brothers, Jack
Sandler, Morris Sandler and Carl Sandler.
She is survived by her devoted son and daughter-in-law, Gordon and
Shirley Baer; sister-in-laws, Emma Sandler and Arlette Baer; and many
devoted, nieces, nephews, great-nieces, great-nephews and friends.
Funeral services will be 2:00 p.m. Sunday, October 6,2013 at Herman
Meyer &amp; Son, 1338 Ellison Avenue with burial to follow in Anshei Sfard
Cemetery. Visitation will be after 1:00 p.m. In lieu of flowers, expressions
of sympathy may go to donor's favorite charity.

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1. I am Linda Leeser, and I am conducting an interview
with Ethel C. B aeffor the JFCS archives
October 26, 2010.
2. Can you tell me how and why your family originally came to this country and when?
Ethel’s Mother came to this country when she was 20 years old, around 1920. First one
of her brothers came, then another, then another, and then it was her turn. Another sister
of her Mother moved to Argentina. Ethel’s Mother came to Chicago, where one of her
brothers lived. She worked in a knitted dress factory, sewing beads on the dresses.
Mother attended the Huffman Preparatory School to learn English.
Her Father came sometime between 1918 and 1920. He was a tailor and heard of an
opening for a tailor, and that is what brought him. Edith’s parents knew each other in the
old country, and when her Father heard that her Mother was in Chicago, he went to see
her.
Both sides of the family lost relatives in the Holocaust.
3. What were your parents’ names and where were they born?
Father-Solomon (Shalom) Cooper, born in 1900 in Bialystok.
Mother-Edith Kagan, also born in 1900 in Bialystok.
4. What is your birth date? What language(s) were spoken in your home? Where did you
live then? Who lived in the same house with you?
Her birth date is 7-24-24.
They spoke Yiddish and English at home. Both parents became citizens at the Old
Neighborhood House.
They lived at 1121 East Broadway. There was Mother, Father, Bubby Adel Kagan,
brother (who was 4 years younger) and sister (who was 13 years younger).
5. What was your neighborhood like?
They lived in a family-oriented neighborhood, but there were no other Jews. Her Father’s
tailor shop was in the front of their house on East Broadway, and the family lived in the
back. They were a couple houses away from the Lutheran Church, and the minister’s
children were some of the kids with whom she played. They were respectful of Ethel’s
family religion, and the minister asked Bubby what would be kosher so that she could eat
with them. In her backyard there were peach trees and a grape arbor, and that was a great
source of fun for the neighborhood kids. A girl named Lucille, who was from a German
family, became a good friend, and they put on plays in the summer and served lemonade
and charged admission.

�Ethel lived across the street from Normal School, which is now Breckinridge School,
which she attended. Then the school become Eastern Junior High, and she went there,
and then to Atherton.
Attended Sunday school at KI on the comer of Floyd and Jacob.
There was a grocery store called Coldiron’s and a drug store on the corner of Barrett and
Broadway, that was owned by Harry Meit. Also found in that area was Dages Paints, OK
storage located on the corner of Barrett and Broadway. Her uncle Albert was a kosher
butcher and and worked for the Fuch’s. There was also a kosher deli on Preston Street
called Deitz. . Mother could get goats’ milk from Marcus Dairy at the recommendation of
Ethel’s pediatrician, because she was lactose intolerant. Cave Hill was one of her favorite
haunts, as was Highland Library.
During the Depression, everything was scarce, but she remembers farmers coming by
selling fruit in season and eggs.
The area of Grey, Chestnut, Walnut, and Preston was the place where much of Jewish life
was centered.
Ethel’s family moved to Indianapolis for one year because her Father became ill and
couldn’t work as a tailor. Ethel worked in a restaurant that year and went to Arther
Jordon Music School on a scholarship.
6. How did the 1937 flood affect you and your family?
Ethel was 13 years old at the time of the flood. The water level came very close to their
home, even past the bottom of the hill that started at Barrett and Broadway. She
remembers people coming in boats to give typhoid shots, and the Red Cross came with
flour and yeast, and Bubby made bread. They had to boil their water and put a little
iodine in it. Although the house was not inundated with floodwater, her Father’s tailor
shop show room was used to give typhoid shots and radio was established to send boats.
Other family came to stay with them during this time, and there were 10 people in 3 %
rooms. The family could watch the water rise. Ethel remembers some kids being able to
ice skate to school from Butchertown prior to the flood.
Her Mother worried about Ethel and her brother loosing schooling because of the flood,
so they were sent to their uncle in Champaign, Illinois for a semester.
7. If you wished to travel, what kind of transportation did you use?
The family had a 1929 Chevy which Father called their “Jewish Packard”. She
remembers a trip the family took to the 1933 World’s Fair in Chicago. There was a
streetcar that went down Broadway with its rails in the middle of the street.

�8. Was your family involved in a synagogue/temple?
Ethel’s Father was a cantor and sang with Keneseth Israel sometimes, and also Anshei
Sfard, if there were no customers. Making a living was primary. But Bubby went every
Shabbat. Sometimes when Ethel was good, she would go to shul with Bubby and then go
with her to her Bubby’s girlfriends’ homes. Mother would go to shul sometimes, as
would Ethel. Then she would go to the picture show with her girlfriends before the price
changed in the afternoons. They would also go to Taylor’s Drug Store for tuna and
cokes..
9. What holidays and rituals were observed?
Shabbas, Havdallah, Friday eve dinner, even when the pantry was lean. Usually they
would have meat or chicken once/week. And Passover was also observed and celebrated.
It was fun to change dishes and Bubby would make wine from the grape arbor. But Ethel
had an allergy to the rosin in grapes and peaches, and was not allowed to have any of the
things that Bubby made from them. She could drink mead, though, which Bubby also
made. They could seat 20 around the dining room table. They had an icebox, not a
refrigerator. In the morning, the women would congregate in the kitchen and cook all
day to prepare-including her Father’s sister and Mother’s sister-in-law.
10. Did you attend religious school? Were you confirmed? Bat Mitzvah?
Ethel went to Sunday school and was confirmed, but she didn’t learn Hebrew. That was
just not something girls did in those days. She remembers roller-skating to the library,
and the sidewalks from Barrett to Rubel Ave. were bricks!!
11. What is your educational background? What was your career?
Ethel received a Bachelors Degree in Music Education at the University of Louisville,
(which was not a state school then). During part of that time she joined the Cadet Nurse
Corp, for 1 years. She worked at the Autistic School as the music therapist for 14
years. A friend worked there and asked her to join them. It was located at 4th and St.
Catherine, then at the Hurstbourne Christian Church, and finally it moved to the Coach
House behind the Women’s Club on 4th Street. The public school system did not accept
children with autism at that time. Ethel still has tapes of her work with the children, and
her memories are touching. She went on to get her degree at the Institute of Music
Therapy at the age of 54.
12. Ethel was born in Louisville. See # 2 and #3 for family history.
13. How did you meet your husband? Where were you married? Did you have children?
She and her husband Ed worked at Waterman’s Department Store-all Jewish kids worked
there. They were married in Holyoke, MA, where her husband was stationed, on July 7,
1945, by a Rabbi who didn’t speak English.

�Ethel has three children: son Sol is a music professor; daughter Lois is a Spanish
professor; son Andrew is a chiropractor.
14. Tell about your involvement in the Jewish Community?
As a girl, Ethel belonged to the Fillies Club, played piano at the YWHA for dance
classes, and also worked for the USO where she brought classical music recordings for
the soldiers.
She and her husband and children were members of Brith Shalom where all their kids
were confirmed and their sons Bar Mitzvahed. Their daughter had a Bat Mitzvah when
she was 50 years old, in Illinois.
They kept kosher while her Mother lived with then, but not after.
15. How was your family affected by the World Wars? Wars in Israel?
Her Father developed Parkinson’s disease at age 37, thought to have been contracted as a
result of encephalitis from the war. Her brother was too young for the army in WWII, but
he joined the Reserves when he was old enough. During this time, her Mother ran a dry
cleaning shop. Ethel’s husband served in WWII at 19 years of age-until he was 21 or 22.
16. What are your favorite spiritual memories? How did religion affect your life?
She loved Chanukah-latkes, dreidl, gelt, lighting the candles and singing. Her Father was
a musician, too, and those are fond memories-music and the holidays. Ethel loved Pesach
best!!! Mr. Rubenstein used to bring over the Pesach order to them.
Her Bubby instituted the tzedakah box, which was called the “Thank God box”. Visiting
rabbis could eat with them because they were kosher. The family was brought up to be
charitable. When beggars came to the house, the family would share food with them,
giving them sandwiches, but didn’t let them in the house. During the Depression,
everything was scarce, but there was fruit in season. Farmers would come by with
strawberries and eggs.
17. What interests do you have?
Ethel likes to play bridge; she plays piano for the senior citizens club at JCC, and she
likes to read-especially fiction and biographies. She enjoys going to plays with her
friends and enjoys needlework.
18. What are your favorite family memories?
Celebrating the holidays with family and friends has always been special to her.

�19. What is your legacy? How would you like to be remembered? What values would
you like to pass on to those you leave behind?
She hopes that the people she has known will enjoy music and literature. She is a firm
believer in education. Her philosophy is “Live and let live,” which is not always so easy
to do. Be a good parent, a good friend, and enjoy life.

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                    <text>My name is

Shirley Bailen
and

This is my story
I was bom in Louisville in the “old” Jewish hospital on May 7, 1922. My father was
Wolf Diamond (1884-1978). He was bom in Lithuania. My mother was Birdie Marks.
(1888-1978). She was bom in Louisville. I was the third child bom in our family. My
sister, Tobie was bom in 1912 and my brother, Victor, was bom in 1915.
We lived above my father’s shoe store at 603 West Market. Our next home was at
Second at and Lee when I was six. Two years later we moved to Second and Gaulbert. I
started school at Prentice Elementary for kindergarten and the first half of first grade. My
mother and I walked to school every day. My next school was Cochran which was at
Second and Hill. After sixth grade I went to Halleck Hall Junior High and then to
Louisville Girls High, graduating in 1940.
Everyone remembers we had a major flood here in January-February 1937. We lived on
the third floor and while we didn’t get flooded ourselves, the water got into the basement
and the furnace was out of commission. At times, t was so cold that my sister and I
huddled together in a twin bed under all the blankets we owned trying to get warm. My
father tried to cook an egg in a spoon using a candle for heat. We had to get to my Aunt
Esther Marks and Uncle Harry who lived at Second and Brandeis. My mother stopped a
passing boat operated by two young men and they took my sister and me. Later my
parents came. We later moved to the Highlands, near the “loop” at Highland Avenue and
we stayed with my father’s sister, a family by the name of Sadawitz, until we were able
to get back in our home after the waters receded and repairs were made to the furnace.
My brother became a pharmacist and married a girl from North Dakota and my sister
became a teacher and she married Abe Goldberg. He was a tailor and had a shop on West
Market. I got married right out of high school. It was on October 27, 1940, David Bailen
(1918-2004) and I married and began a wonderful life together for 67 years. We knew we
couldn’t afford the expense of a large wedding, and the potential guest lists had already
expanded beyond our budget. So we went to Lexington and Rabbi Pero married us in a
private ceremony.
David got a job as a photographer at a ship yard in Evansville, Indiana. It made landing
craft for the military. When WWII started he joined the Air Force and we relocated to a
base at Stana, California. We rode our bicycles every where and really liked California
and we seriously considered staying there. While he was in service there I worked on the
base for the air force, also.

1

�Of course during the war, there were shortages of most items and everyone had ration
cards. We drank our coffee black as we could not get cream. Mother would send us extra
ration stamps so we could buy meat occasionally. Once we went to the races in Tijuana,
Mexico. We biked everywhere we could...to Laguna Beach...to Balboa. We had become
real Californians, but fate stepped in when David’s father died.
After the war we came home and David opened a photo shop in Bonnycastle drugs. Later
Hucks Pharmacy, near Speed and Bardstown Road closed and sold his pharmacy
business to Bonnycastle, so David moved his photo shop to that location and we ran a
dispensary, no pharmacy. Several years later we were unable to renew our lease and
closed that business.
Then the course of our lives changed again. David worked in sales for one of the
candy/tobacco wholesale businesses and during this same time, Donald Stem who had a
drug store decided that he needed help. He wanted to spend all of his time with the
prescription service and asked me to run the rest of the store for him. This proved to be a
good arrangement for both of us, and I did this for 12 years.
One event was significant in my life; at age 56 I had cancer. The doctors were reluctant to
tell me about my chances for cure and survival. I insisted and was told that I had only a
20% chance. I told the doctor that I was tough and would beat it. After all, I had children
and grandchildren I needed to be here for.
There came another unusual opportunity when Jack Benjamin was involved with the
drama department at the new JCC on Dutchman’s Lane. He asked David to read for a
part. David had never done anything with any theater, but finally agreed to read. David
was pretty good with accents and we were all surprised when he was selected for the lead
in the play, ft was such a big success and had so many sold out performances, they had to
extend it for a month.
Another unusual experience occurred when David won a trip to the Los Angeles summer
Olympics in 1968. His name was drawn by M &amp; M, one of the candy companies he
represented. We stayed at Disney and after the Olympics we went to Mexico City for a
week before returning to Louisville.
Our son, James, was bom here in Louisville while David was still in the army. James
attended Centre College on scholarship in Danville. It is a Christian college and a
required course was Christian Bible. James took the course and wrote a paper on a Jewish
leader and won first place and $263 prize money. He went to UL medical school and
made urology as his specialty. He helped form the medical group First Urology which is
the largest such group in this area. He married Cathy Eichengreen.

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�James has three children: Michael attended college at Northwestern and became an
investment banker with Deutsch Bank in Manhattan. He married Karen Carney. He was
going to work the morning of 9/11. After the collapse of the second tower he had to walk
17 blocks before he could get a phone signal to call us and report that he was OK. They
decided that they would rather live in Louisville and came home. He works for Texas
Roadhouse as chief financial officer. They have two children: Brody, 9 and Zoe, 6.
James second child is Neil, who married Lisa. They have Blair, 5 and Whitney, 2. He is a
lawyer with the Stites-Harbison group.
Their third child is Erica. She is a pediatrician. Her husband is Sean Griffin. He is an
orthopedic surgeon at Norton Hospital. They have no children.
Our second son is Barry Paul Bailen. He lives in Olympia, Washington and is now retired
from Evergreen University as an academic counselor. His daughter is Molly and she is
marred to Greg Maalof. They live in Portland, OR.
While we were retired we participated in at least 10 Elderhostel programs at various
places of interest including San Francisco, Boston, New Orleans, and St. Louis. We lived
in a condo in the St Matthews area.
Following David’s death in 2004 I continued to be active and I volunteered at Jewish
hospital, at the Kentucky Center for the Arts, and for a year at the Louisville Free Public
Library After being alone for 6 years I moved into Magnolia Springs and I have been
here about eight years now7.

interview by
Irvin Goldstein
May, 2018

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